Is civil war in Egypt averted? 90% yes for new Constitution.

We propaganda-consuming Westerns are rather enamored of rule of law, it’s done right by us for some time now.

why are you obsessed? :confused: you will find out tomorrow

If they are relaying state media then it is fine because that will be official. The problem is Cairo based Western reporters do not relay the truth back to NYT etc. Your government supports the MB so obviously your media need to support them too and that means the Cairo based reporters do their job and give biased inaccurate reports and downright lies often. I have them here Tweeting about army shooting them 2 miles from my house and it is lies!!! They sit in cafes in Zamalek with their laptops re tweeting tweets from MB Raba’a 4 finger wavers. They are a joke. No one takes them seriously. Add the Tweeps I gave you and see them being exposed daily and then you see how your NYT etc are manipulated.

I just asked you for a link. No need to fly off the handle.

Good news, then. From the NYT piece I linked to:

Bolding mine. And, again, Human Rights Watch backs them up. Do you accept that Islamist parties were suppressed in this referendum?

I have yet to see any evidence he was arrested. Give me more and I will check with the police stations so you can sleep tonight :D.

we Egyptians do not need to follow your rules :smiley: Guess what we can even vote in a room and let everyone see our hands go up and what they are voting for, it’s called show of hands and they are counted, so you can keep your democracy and we will keep ours;)

So, how do you explain the 97% figure? MB supporters spontaneously switching allegiance, or MB supporters boycotting the election?

You are not paying attention LOL

97% of the people who voted voted YES. 47% or so didn’t vote so we dont know what they would have voted. Maybe they were away from home, or died, or were in jail, or abroad with no consulate near them, or sick or in hospital or working and couldn’t get to polls, many youth were sitting exams , or were MB, or were on jihad for the USA in Syria or Libya and the commander wouldn’t give them time off to vote, or on holiday, or swimming in the Red Sea and enjoying it too much to go vote, …etc

I gave you a Washington Post story. That’s evidence.

Yeah, it’s going great…no need to look to nations who’ve adopted it successfully. What, exactly, is the anti-secret-ballot argument, besides “We won’t know who voted the wrong way”?

“Or MB”. Yeah, that might just have something to do with it. Again, they boycotted the election.

I’ll give you one example of the American nut cases giving their expert opinion.
Of all people you must trust your dear PJ Crowley :smiley:

Todays Einstein Tweet for the American audience.

That means that according to this genius 62% of Egyptians are in prison :smack:

I think that’s what we call “sarcasm”.

I can’t even begin to count the amount of misinformation and downright lies in that article!

example:

The government also **issued travel bans **against as many as 20 opponents, including Islamist lawyers and lawmakers, left-leaning activists like Alaa Abd El Fattah (who is already in jail after being accused of organizing a demonstration)

Question why would he need a travel ban if he is in prison?

Second Abdel Fattah was in jail for charges of setting fire to Ahmed Shafiks house not organising a demo. In those few lines there is utter lies! This is what Western reporters based in Cairo are faxing to NY and DC!

:dubious: or :smiley:

Could the ban not pre-date the (latest) imprisonment? Or be intended to apply in the event that Alaa Abd El Fattah was released?

He’s been charged with both (convicted of one, actually):

Any comment on Human Rights Watch’s account of arrests of activists hanging posters?

Don’t know what to make of that…are you of the opinion that 97% of the Egyptian people support this constitution?

ETA: Do you have an anti-secret-ballot argument?

I was just pointing out that they were prohibiting religious parties. So no muslim brotherhood.

97 of people who voted approved of the ballot. Voting boycotts are usually conducted by people who know they are going to lose anyway or people who are convinced that the voting is corrupt. So unless you can point to ballot stuffing or something like that, it seems like the will of the people who could be bothered to vote.

Exactly…Marmite Lover’s MB neighbors notwithstanding, obviously this result is only indicative of the support of a portion of the Egyptian populace, somewhere around 38%.

Free ice cream wouldn’t get 97.7% support.

Which flavor?

Bullshit.

Apologies, I was a bit too terse.

Uncle, could you please provide a cite for this.

Cite?

Heh.

Yes, and it’s a shame. They went right back to the old guard, thanks to a military coup spurred by incalcitrance of the bureaucrats that remained in office letting everything fall apart to make Morsi look bad (in addition to Morsi allowing the Islamic Brotherhood’s goals to overshadow that of the public).

No, only 97.7% of Egyptians who voted. Get your facts right, or your propaganda will be summarily ignored.

OK, you’ve proven that you’re totally biased. Thanks, in case we didn’t already know.

It’s possible that democracy never had a chance in Egypt, and that they’re better off with a military dictatorship. That’s for the Egyptians to work out; may God have pity on them.