Marmite Lover, this is about 80% of an article from another site that you’ve posted without attribution or argument. This is a violation of a few SDMB rules.
Posting an article in most of its entirety.
Posting a quote like that without attribution.
Posting a quote without any original content.
I’m not going to warn you for this but I will note that you seem to be having a very difficult time learning the rules of GD. Further violations - combined with your history of earning infractions - can and will quickly lead to a revocation of your posting privileges.
I guess Ukraine kinda kicked this off the radar, but this development is hardly surprising. To think that the military took over (again) in order to establish some enlightened society in the name of the people, despite decades of running a very unenlightened one, was only swallowed by the most gullible.
At least Egypt knows how to process trials efficiently:
“An Egyptian court has recommended the death sentence for the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and 682 supporters, and handed down a final capital punishment ruling for 37 others, judicial sources said on Monday.” http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/28/us-egypt-brotherhood-idUSBREA3R0J420140428
“Our position” meaning what exactly? Certainly the official American position was a little lukewarm to the military coup n Egypt but resumed funding despite the “no supporting coups” legislation. They backed the Ukrainian coup fairly wholeheartedly. I have a hard time describing those positions as “diametrically opposed”.
In Egypt a potential civil war has been averted and an election is about to be held. Many here wanted a million MB Islamists to dictate their Islamist theocracy to 80 million. Egypt is stabilizing. The Islamists weren’t so popular were they?
They were popular enough to win the presidency. It’s quite possible they would have done poorly in the next set of elections, but we’ll never know, as they’ve been outlawed and their leaders jailed or killed. Viva democracy!
I guess I’m missing something here; they were so unpopular that they had to have their election nullified at the point of a gun, their party outlawed, thousands arrested, hundreds killed, and hundreds more sentenced to death? Hmm, and this growing insurgency that has killed hundreds of members of the security forces in bombings and shootings is proof that civil war is averted. Cheers Human Action, viva democracy!
It is not averted, it is just beginning as the problems in the Sinai and in Middle Egypt are showing. Your understanding is very very strange, I think is the only way to say this.
It is very strange to cheer a military coup that is also banning the secular opposition groups that motivated the fall of the regime Mubarek. Very strange democracy this…
I did not say it was democracy. The democracy is about to come resting on the shoulders of stability. Morsi was not taking Egypt into democracy either. What was worse was the abandonment of stability as the objective for the sake of Islamist theocracy and ideology which was rejected by tens of millions on the streets.
My position is that Egypt is still in a revolution. The Tahir Square protesters are now aligned with the military and business and middle class and they will likely vote Al Sisi in as next president - mostly for the stability that continues to be a welcome norm.
I’ll note that you are predicting a civil war is coming to Egypt. Can you say how big and how soon.
Stability being defined as suppressing the opposition. Yeah, we all know about that kind of “stability”. That was the stability that Mubarak offered.
Dictators throughout the ages have been assuring us that democracy is right around the corner as soon as “stability” is achieved. Most of us are not fooled by that rhetoric. Democracy does not spring from oppression. Oppression springs from oppression.
Morsi was setting himself up to suppress the non-Islamist opposition in non-democratic ways. He could not do it without acquiescence of the military. The Egyptian economy was unstable and on the verge of collapse.
Complain all you want about the situation in Egypt. There obviously was no massive support for the Muslim Brotherhood as there was expected to be. Well there was no support unless you count al Qaeda and the rest of the terrorists that have been stirring up trouble in the Sinai for years.
The military, on the other hand, is able to go about the suppression of the opposition in non-democratic ways without having to get the acquiescence of anyone else. Which is exactly what they’ve been doing, what you’ve been trying to pass off as “creating stability” and what you keep assuring us will be followed some day in a galaxy far, far away by democracy. What the hell, even Franco eventually died and Spain moved towards becoming a democracy. Who knows, maybe in another 36 years Egypt will have enough stability to move towards becoming an actual democracy.
What’s the rush toward democracy if it produces chaos and civil war and the alternative that would be religious oppression. Its a choice between secular or religious oppression for the time being. And it looks as if secular oppression will win the next vote. Say what you will, the majority will vote for al Sisi / not because they feat oppression but because they want stability.
Does anyone think that Egyptian peace with Israel is less stable now than it was under Morsi?
Does anyone think that deteriorating peace between Israel and Egypt would improve the lives of very many Egyptians for the sake of sustaining Morsi’s version of Muslim Brotherhood democracy?
What makes you think the problems in the Sinai are just beginning to develop into civil war?
**Peace with Israel is now stable: Al-Sisi **/ AbdelHalim H. AbdAllah / May 13, 2014 /
I understand that keeping good relations with Israel by eliminating a ‘hub for terrorism’ in the Sinai is good for all people in that region. Morsi does not appear to have grasped a fundamental understanding of what needs to be done there.