Is Diogenes a pretentious bombast?

Surely I’m not the only one to find Diogenes the Cynic insufferably pretentious. He certainly has a very high opinion of his own knowledge. Many of his posts have precious phrases like “Modern scholars agree …” but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single Diogenes post with any citation or URL. I suppose he thinks his own opinion is all that’s needed to justify the phrase “Modern scholars agree” and that his own hurried writing on SDMB is its own self-sufficient citation. :smack:

I’m not qualified to evaluate Diogenes’ competence, if any, at archaeological or Biblical scholarship, but some recent posts demonstrate he’s incapable of following plain English. Consider the following dialog in a recent thread about Jesus’ historicity.

Most other participants seemed to agree that the Nativity stories were probably contrived and should not be the focus of a historicity debate. But even if someone disagrees with this point of view, it shouldn’t be hard to understand that it is the position one is addressing. Yet flaws in the infancy stories seem to be all Diogenes wants to talk about! (Perhaps he’d use the cherry-tree myth to disprove George Washington’s existence. :smiley: – I’m being silly now, of course, yet that is the conclusion we’d derive from Diogenes’ continued comments.)

OK. If he’d read the thread for comprehension, he’d know others in the thread already know this much, but he wants to reiterate it. Fine. I’ll elide some responses to Diogenes that reiterate why the Nativity contradictions are of little interest.

Check the original thread to confirm that the following non sequitur response by Diogenes is intended to directly answer ITR’s post just shown.

So we have a self-avowed world-class scholar (whose opinions are their own sufficient citation) but he doesn’t understand that “infancy narratives” include narratives about the infancy? Confused, septimus and ITR call this to Diogenes’ attention:

But Diogenes is capable only of another non sequitur:

septimus and others did give explanations for the contradiction. (To summarize yet one more time for Diogenes’ benefit, the infancy narratives are fictional.) But that’s not the point. The point is that repeating over and over and over and over the same flaws in the infancy narratives is not responsive, when answering people who have specifically excluded them from further consideration.

And again!! Even if Diogenes is the world’s fastest typist and rewrote this tedious and repetitious babble in five seconds, he could have invested that five seconds more wisely by reading the posts he’s responding to. No one cares about the flaws in the fictional infancy narratives, as septimus said in his very first post!
Instead, we have yet again:

One gets the impression, that when Diogenes deigns to speak, no matter how wrong or irrelevant his utterance, we mere mortals all need to bend over and kiss his ass. But before I bend over, I’d like to see the slightest evidence that he’s intelligent enough to even comprehend the posts he responds to.

Surely not indeed. He’s one of the most commonly pitted people on the board, if not the most commonly pitted person. And he’s always pitted for precisely the reasons you cited.

I don’t have a problem with him.

For once, I think the weekly **Dio **pitting is ill aimed. **Dio **is and does everything you say, but he *does *know his Bible and Biblical history, better than most Christians I know. Credit where credit is due.

I do when the mods have clearly stated that he operates under a different set of rules than everyone else.

He was right. And you referred to yourself in the third person.

I can tolerate a bit of pretentiousness when it’s coupled with accuracy. Defensiveness when it’s combined with backpedaling is more odious IMO.

Enjoy,
Steven

This is one of those times when my brain shorts out from cognitive dissonance. Diogenes The Cynic gets pitted an average of three times an hour over the course of many years as far as I can tell but every so often, I feel compelled to through on an old bath towel as a cape and come to his defense because he is correct sometimes.

He does know religious history and he defeated his opponent in that debate. IIRC, he has an academic background in the subject and he is an atheist or an agnostic so everything he said was just based on what is known by scholars.

This is a bad thing to pit him for. Diogenes The Cynic is an acquired taste. He wants you to hate him but I think he is pretty funny, grounded, and knowledgeable about some things and this is one of them. When you have to fight fire with better fire, he is often your man.

I love Dio when he’s posting about the bible. He knows his shit and I learn when he posts on that subject.

On the other hand, if he’s talking about sex or sports or music or…

I think if the atheists ever got themselves organised into a proper hierachy he would defo be entitled to a bishopric.

Definitely. I disagree with him over pretty much everything, but he’s one of the more amusing posters around.

Yes. Like gorgonzola, gueuze, and ass-to-mouth.

For the record, I never rejected a historical Jesus in that thread or in any other thread. I was responding to a request by ITR to show contradictions and errors in the Gospels. I saw no reason to exclude the nativity narratives from that request just because the OP did.

Just curious, why are you posting in the third person?

Oh, and neither 3rd person septimus or anyone else gave an explanation for the contradiction.

What annoys me about Dio is his apparent belief that he wins *every * argument.

It is good to see that his posts have have occasional merit though.

Oh, and to answer the question in the subject: Yes.

I think I tend to do that here, without much thought and without thinking it weird. Since my post contains other posts by septimus, it seems a way to make the content slightly clearer (no need to remember an “I = septimus” equation).

But two responses here tell me it’s weird so I’ll try to avoid this in future. I hope the usage doesn’t make me seem … pretentious! :smiley:

Came here to say this about Dio.

what.

In fairness, I think Septimus would acknowledge that it was a contradiction. I can’t recall ITR’s stance though. I’m also uncertain of third person Septimus’s opinion… :smiley:

Everyone seems to agree that said contradictory stories are fictional and therefore that it’s silly to discuss the contradictions. That’s the whole point. Diogenes’ Bible knowledge is not the issue here, just his failure to understand the inanity of the dialog:

D: Explain the infancy narrative contradictions!
S: Those narratives are just fictional.
D: No, You must explain the infancy narrative contradictions!!
S: We all know those narratives are just fictional.
D: Explain the infancy narrative contradictions now !!!
S: Are you reading our responses?
D: Explain the infancy narrative contradictions!!!
S: Please read our responses!
D: Explain the infancy narrative contradictions!!!
S: You really are too self-centered to even read what you’re responding to, aren’t you?
D: Explain the infancy narrative contradictions!!!