I think you misunderstand the problem with your “autism” comment. You’re not “expected to show compassion” to racists, xenophobes, and white supremacists. You’re expected to show compassion to blameless individuals who may have been diagnosed with some level of autism, and not using their condition as a hateful pejorative against truly vile people. If you can’t see the hateful implication you’re making, maybe I should start using the word “negro” as a synonym for “lazy and useless”.
You really are a callous repugnant douchebag totally lacking in empathy. It sickens me that people like you exist. I have to keep reminding myself that this is not what America is, or has ever been, except for a small depraved minority of which you’re a prime exemplar.
And sepsis may have been the cause of the dehydration. And “dehydration” may be used as a shorthand for “required intravenous fluids to treat general circulation insufficiency, similar to what you get when you’re otherwise well but don’t have enough fluid intake.”
A single press report is no basis for judgement. I haven’t read anything else.
Maybe the child had sepsis, and suddenly developed fever and died. That’s the way it happens with sepsis.
Or the sepsis may be entirely a reporting error from someone who read “fever” and “shock” and assumed “septic”: Maybe the child was dangerously dehydrated, and suddenly developed shock and loss of temperature regulation. That happens too.
Far too often I read in the medical literature cases where the arresting officers ignored medical conditions and prisoners die. I’m not rushing to judgement here: I also read cases where outpatient clinics send kids home with sepsis and they die. And those are just the cases that get publicity because someone dies.
I believe the issue is whether the people managing the wire intend to keep people out, or to injure people.
If the wall is built the US will be blamed for not providing a ladder over it or a nice boat to sail around it. At some point an individual’s agency needs to be taken into account.
Serious question for the open border advocates: what’s your solution to providing for an unlimited amount of migrants?
I’m glad that the new rules now allow me to give this the response it properly deserves: Fuck off.
WTF are you thinking? Is it true that your brains are in your tentacles, as I’ve read about octopi? If so, quite banging them around so much. I think they’ve stopped working.
Who here – or anywhere, ever – has advocated “open borders”? This concept only exists in the context of a close economic and migration alliance like the EU Schengen Area, which is the only example I know.
The trouble with your right-wing lunatic thinking is the vast area of the excluded middle – the fact that it’s possible to have proper border enforcement as well as exclusion and deportation policies at the same time as one has humane immigration policies toward needy and desperate refugees. Canada has been a good example of that, admitting thousands of desperate refugees fleeing Trump’s America, and establishing programs for Syrian refugees exceeding by an order of magnitude the per-capita ratio even under Obama, a ratio that essentially became zero under Trump. And Canada Immigration never killed anyone; to the contrary, efforts were quickly made to reduce detentions and release the migrants into the general population pending their immigration hearings. Kids and their parent were never separated, to my knowledge.
There are good ways and thoroughly shitty ways to do things, and the Trump regime has empowered and encouraged the thoroughly shitty ways. It’s not just that sending the goddam military to the border to intimidate the migrants at ports of entry has driven them to dangerous remote border areas, it’s also that a president not only sets policy and actions, but he also instills and emboldens attitudes among those patrolling the border. It was widely documented that during the infamous “Muslim ban”, CBP and ICE were emboldened to treat anyone like shit who looked even vaguely Middle Eastern, denying entry to many, even accredited top scientists. Here’s an example of a Canadian citizen with a Canadian passport denied entry and effectively permanently barred from the US for the apparent crime of having brown skin and looking Middle Eastern (though she’s actually Indian).
Formally, she was required to seek a visitor’s visa – which is unknown for a Canadian citizen, just as it’s unknown for an American visiting Canada to be required to have a visa. So of course the US Embassy couldn’t provide her one, and told her that her problem was with US Immigration. US Immigration is telling her that her problem is with the visa people at the embassy. The moral lesson, US version in the Trump era: life’s a bitch when you have brown skin and a funny-sounding name.
Oh, he understands why it’s damaging all right. This is at least the third time he’s taken the autism tack. I’m not sure he understands the egregious misconceptions about empathy he’s spreading.
The father had the choice of leaving his daughter at home with his wife, three other children, and other relatives but instead took her on a dangerous journey that could and often does result in death, paying a smuggler to sneak him into the country. When that dangerous journey did result in death, who is to blame? The Americans who they met a few hours before her death, apparently, because apparently brown poor people aren’t response for their choices.
Again, missing the fucking point.
You can apportion blame as you wish, but at the end of the day there is a dead girl. The important question here is not really who to blame (well, this is important but not THE important question) but if we have appropriate procedures for medically evaluating and treating such cases at the border, if our personnel are adequately trained and equipped to handle such situations, and assuming the first two are true, whether said personnel followed through according to those procedures and that this is an isolated case or a case that can be considered representative.
It’s possible the first two are true. I sincerely fucking doubt it.
The last almost certain does not happen in all cases. There’s no organization on the planet involving thousands of employees where proper procedures are followed at all times by all personnel. Unfortunately, the consequences are much more severe in some professions than others.
But sure, let’s play the blame game and ignore the dead bodies. I’m sure that’s much more productive than figuring out if we have the right procedures in place or if the people we have in place know what the fuck they’re doing, you degenerate asshole.
Did I get this thread wrong.
I thought the OP was complaining about restaurant service…
One of the points I never see addressed in these posts is why are these “migrants*” trying so desperately to get to the US. I mean, they have to travel thousands of miles across Mexico to get here, among people who are much more likely to be receptive to their situation than “Trumpists” here in the US, yet they are willing to endure burning desert sands, tear gas, and concertina wire just to get here. There is obviously financial support for their “migration”, as evidenced by the fact they did not simply stop when they ran out of money.
What I am getting at is there is obviously a political force behind all this. That political force is, ultimately, at fault. They have ignored the value of the lives of these “migrants” in pursuit of their political agenda. Frankly, I suspect the Russians.
I find the total ignoring of this point by both the left and right sadly telling of both sides. While both sides are claiming the moral high ground, neither side seems to be interested in finding out what is behind it.
*I put “migrants” in quotes because they really are not migrants. They are not wandering. They are looking for a new home. That is, they are immigrating, so they should be referred to as immigrants, not migrants. They seem to have a specific destination, USA. They are not interested in a better life in Mexico, or Canada, for that matter. They are risking their and their children’s lives to get to the USA.
I guess they could have given her Aquafina but then the outrage would be how they were torturing her.
I have plenty of empathy when it is needed. Someone who purposely endangers their child’s life through criminal actions does not deserve empathy.
You get a Potty Mouth for that opening.
So, if Canada wants to do have an easy immigration policy that’s great. They have more land and vastly less people. Let them absorb a 100,000,000 or so and they’d still not come close to the population of the US. If immigration is so beneficial then that will be a huge boon for Canada.
Anyways, we have more legal immigrants in the US than Canada has people. So how about Canada steps up?
So lets say the father brought his daughter on the trip without exposing her to the physical risks that he actually did. But everything else about the story is exactly the same. Let’s say that the girl’s sickness and dehydration surfaced after meeting Border Patrol and the father had no way of knowing it would happen. Do you still exhonerate the government for any responsibility for the child’s welfare?
And purposely bringing her with him is not the same thing as purposely endangering her.
The trip is known to be dangerous. The trip is being done for a criminal purpose.
Nice non sequitur.
Fuckstick, it absolutely follows. If you take someone on z dangerous trip you are endangering them.
From the article I linked earlier:
So are you saying that we should have a significant staff of medically trained personell staged all along the US border just in case some people attempting to sneak across the border at that point need some medical attention? Why stop half way? Let’s just set up new airports in every Central and South American country, along with a series of roads leading to each. We could send stretch limos all around all of those countries asking for people who want to move to the US. Then they can be taken by a fleet of commercial jets to free medical clinics set up just for them in the US so that they can be treated for any and all ailments. After all, we bear full moral reponsibility for everything that happens to them from the moment they set out until they reach the US and beyond.
How about for the child?
Does the child deserve empathy you fucking psycho?