Is eight hours too long to go without being offered a drink of water?

[AlienVessels]

@UCBearcats

Barbed wire isn’t the same as a bear trap

You think?

[UCBearcats]

@AlienVessels

You think?

Yes

[UCBearcats]

@Lance_Turbo

How about for the child?

Does the child deserve empathy you fucking psycho?

Pretty strong language.

[Ambivalid]

@UCBearcats

Fuckstick, it absolutely follows. If you take someone on z dangerous trip you are endangering them.

It may be a consequence of the trip but it doesnt mean that it was intentional. Fuccboi.

[UCBearcats]

@Ambivalid

It may be a consequence of the trip but it doesnt mean that it was intentional. Fuccboi.

Never said the father intentionally harmed his daughter. Assclown.

[octopus]

The Pit is such a strange forum to virtue signal in.

[Darren_Garrison]

A new article.

[needscoffee]

@Darren_Garrison

A new article.

Washington Times isn’t a reputable source.

[kayaker]

@UCBearcats

I have plenty of empathy when it is needed. Someone who purposely endangers their child’s life through criminal actions does not deserve empathy.

“No thoughts and prayers for you!”

[steronz]

@Darren_Garrison

So are you saying that we should have a significant staff of medically trained personell staged all along the US border just in case some people attempting to sneak across the border at that point need some medical attention?

Or – and hear me out cause this might sound crazy – instead of staging them “all along the US border,” what if we consolidate them in population centers near the border, cities like San Diego, El Paso, and Tuscon. We can put these trained medical personnel in facilities, say, “immigration processing centers” along with a sufficient cadre of bureaucrats, law enforcement officers, background investigators, and immigration lawyers. We can then get the word out that if people want to immigrate to the US they can do so legally at designated “border crossings,” from which they’ll be safely taken to one of these “immigration processing centers” where they’ll be treated well and given medical care if necessary.

We’ll further say that if they agree to submit to a thorough background check, get a job, pay taxes, send their kids to school, and otherwise do things that we expect of average American citizens, that we’ll let them stay and work here – all of them, not just an arbitrary quota or those who satisfy some special interest – and if they keep their noses clean, we’ll tell them that they can apply for citizenship in a few years.

I’m 100% certain this would cost taxpayers a fraction of what we’re currently paying to keep up an inhumane police state along the southern border, and would save hundreds of lives per year.

[RickJay]

@octopus

Serious question for the open border advocates: what’s your solution to providing for an unlimited amount of migrants?

But it’s not a serious question, because there is not an unlimited number of migrants. Serious questions deal with the real world.

[Lance_Turbo]

@UCBearcats

Pretty strong language.

Yes it is strong language. Well spotted snowflake. Why don’t you answer the question?

Does the child deserve empathy you fucking psycho?

[EscAlaMike]

@Great_Antibob

So, the father doing something wrong means we are absolved of any responsibility of care for the daughter?

In what world is this right?

There is a dead child, and the concern is over the crimes of the father, rather than the well-being of the child. No matter who has the greater responsibility for creating the situation, at the end of the day, it is our basic fucking duty to care for the child. And no matter how you slice it, we failed at that duty in one way or another.

QFT

(Side note, not to hijack, but this exact argument also applies to abortion in cases of rape - i.e. killing an unborn child due to the crimes of his/her father)

[EscAlaMike]

@carnivorousplant

Americans are historically the Good Guys

Aww. You’re actually serious? That’s sweet.

[wolfpup]

@excavating_for_a_mind

One of the points I never see addressed in these posts is why are these “migrants*” trying so desperately to get to the US … they are willing to endure burning desert sands, tear gas, and concertina wire just to get here. There is obviously financial support for their “migration”, as evidenced by the fact they did not simply stop when they ran out of money.

What I am getting at is there is obviously a political force behind all this. That political force is, ultimately, at fault. They have ignored the value of the lives of these “migrants” in pursuit of their political agenda. Frankly, I suspect the Russians.

Maybe the reason you don’t hear much about the awesome “financial support” the migrants are getting is because it’s total abject nonsense. Why is the simple and obvious explanation such a difficult concept for you to grasp – that refugees are trying to escape dangerous, economically poor, politically corrupt crime-infested countries and seeking out a better life for themselves and their families? Why does this obvious motivation have to be replaced by a crazy conspiracy theory? Do you have a credible cite for this wild claim?

@excavating_for_a_mind

They seem to have a specific destination, USA. They are not interested in a better life in Mexico, or Canada, for that matter. They are risking their and their children’s lives to get to the USA.

That’s false, too. The US is the most obvious and most proximate destination but Trumpism has been driving many immigrants from places like Haiti, El Salvador, and Nigeria who are already in the US to seek asylum in Canada – asylum claims alone from these illegal entrants displaced from the US totalled 12,378 in just the first 7 1/2 months of this year.

[octopus]

@RickJay

But it’s not a serious question, because there is not an unlimited number of migrants. Serious questions deal with the real world.

Yeah it’s a finite planet with finite people. You got me.

Regardless, if borders were open and barriers to travel were removed there’d be vast migrations compared to today. How’d you propose countries handle that?

[Darren_Garrison]

@steronz

We’ll further say that if they agree to submit to a thorough background check, get a job, pay taxes, send their kids to school, and otherwise do things that we expect of average American citizens, that we’ll let them stay and work here – all of them, not just an arbitrary quota or those who satisfy some special interest – and if they keep their noses clean, we’ll tell them that they can apply for citizenship in a few years.

And you really think that will stop people from choosing to skip all that hassle and try to sneak over? Which is what these 163 were doing? Would you be fine with–under that new policy–saying “for those of you that do choose to avoid the official routes and try to sneak over, we will give you exactly zero assistance in any form whatsoever?” If not, then there is still a need to pour money and manpower into mollycoddling criminals.

[Shodan]

@wolfpup

That’s false, too. The US is the most obvious and most proximate destination but Trumpism has been driving many immigrants from places like Haiti, El Salvador, and Nigeria who are already in the US to seek asylum in Canada – asylum claims alone from these illegal entrants displaced from the US totalled 12,378 in just the first 7 1/2 months of this year.

That doesn’t really follow, if your point is that the illegal entrants into the US really wanted to go to Canada in the first place.

Regards,
Shodan

[steronz]

@Darren_Garrison

And you really think that will stop people from choosing to skip all that hassle and try to sneak over?

Yes, I really think that.

@Darren_Garrison

Which is what these 163 were doing?

There is a 0% chance that these folks would have been allowed to stay in this country if they’d tried to enter via legal channels, so I reject your notion that they were just trying to “skip the hassle.”

[Darren_Garrison]

@steronz

There is a 0% chance that these folks would have been allowed to stay in this country if they’d tried to enter via legal channels, so I reject your notion that they were just trying to “skip the hassle.”

No, I mean the hassle of your proposed process–let in as many tens of millions as want to come as long as they meet specific preconditions before eventually being granted citizenship.