Also, am I the only one who wishes Cracked would go back to Weird Science and History articles?
I like the occasional social critique, but there’s a certain point where social messaging ruins comedy and it’s just not fun anymore.
And there it is, definitive proof that everything women complain about is not merely true but understated.
No, I strongly disagree. I won’t say that there are never occasions when a man is the victim of sexism. But there is no way that men face an equal amount compared to what women face. It’s not even close. Women face at least a hundred times the amount of sexism that men face - and if my estimate is wrong, it’s because it’s too low.
That’s like claiming that black people and white people face an equal amount of racism in America.
And I predict that day will never happen. Nobody wants a future in which people are not attracted to other people and nobody is working towards that future.
What we’re trying to do is work towards a future where people can’t force themselves on the people they are attracted to.
Starving Artist is indeed dabbling quite heavily in both False Equivalence and Slippery Slope in this thread.
We’re not talking about work. We’re talking about Mardi Gras.
He has an explanation for that.
And that’s not work? These tits aren’t gonna show themselves.
Rather like with election data, I’m getting pretty tired with having the boundaries of every gender debate on every issue defined by privileged, cosseted, narrow, often nepotism-supported middle class opinion.
Nepotism-supported? Who’s related to whom here?
Actually, as designed at birth, they kind of do
What isn’t being said that you think should be said?
I’ve been irritated lately, or maybe always, by what I see as faux-recreational outrage about sexual assault in the media. It’s a bit of a joke to me, but I’m embittered by my own very negative experience of my family and community not giving a damn. People are trying to have a national dialog, I guess. I’m not holding my breath on anything changing. But it’s a lot easier to condemn the entire debate than it is to speak from my own experience about what I think needs to be done, and risk being censured yet again.
We live in a world of manufactured moral extremes and I am overwhelmed by the real complexity of a lot of terrible phenomena. That is especially true of sexual victimization. There are so many layers and considerations with regard to what contributes to it, how it happens, what the perpetrator intends or believes, what the social and emotional ramifications are. What I most resent is the media’s attempts to oversimplify all of those things so that people can go to bed at night believing they are on the right side of the issue without having to examine themselves or the society in which they live.
Since SA has made an example of himself, this is someone whose very narrow definition of rape and sexual assault he finds abhorrent but whose attitudes and statements continue to undermine women’s credibility on every conceivable level and thus contribute heavily to the problem. On the flip side, I don’t feel too positively toward a society that assumes every unsupported claim is unassailable fact. I have to balance that with the reality that my own claim wasn’t believed, and it ruined my life. I also believe sexual assault can happen, or often does happen, out of pure ignorance, without intent, that you can be a rapist and not evil. Those are the conversations nobody wants to have.
What we all yearn for is a simple Yes/No answer to the question ''Is flashing for beads a form of sexual harassment?" But there isn’t one.
Who is debating gender here?
I’m going to be honest and say I don’t know. Apparently if you do flash your breasts, you can get ticketed for indecent exposure. I don’t know if asking someone to flash them is also something that can be penalized in NOLA.
In general, I don’t want kids to knock on my door and demand candy, but on Halloween I don’t mind it. If I didn’t want to hand out candy on Halloween, I wouldn’t answer the doorbell. As mentioned, context.
Does that contribute to a culture of obesity in America? I suppose on some level it does, but I am not forcing anyone to do anything.
Regards,
Shodan
It is my understand that you frequently hear the chant “show your tits” being directed at women on the balconies. I don’t know where that falls on the spectrum between gang-rape and glancing at a woman.
I like NOLA, but I’ve never gone during Mardi Gras.
One year we were there, having a great time. A woman walked up to me and lifted up her shirt. She wanted beads, but I had none. I apologized, but she just stood there with her shirt up, demanding her prize. My gf went into a little store and bought a thing of beads. I gave the woman her beads and she stumbled away, satisfied. #awkward
Has anyone ever been arrested in NOLA during Mardi Gras for flashing their tits? But even so, no one is forcing anyone to flash tits. If you don’t want to flash your tits, don’t flash your tits. If someone is exercising their free speech rights and it offends you, walk away. You’re not a captive audience, as you would be at work.
Now, if someone shouts: Kill the bitch RIGHT NOW if she doesn’t flash her tits, that person is NOT exercising his free speech rights. That’s in imminent incitement to violence.
Why don’t you apply what you call “common sense” to this situation and tell us what you think, and we’ll see how “common” it really is?
What demeaning things do men have to do to earn symbolic trinkets during this festival?
In my opinion it’s very low on the spectrum - in that particular situation. It’s a time and place where women choose to show their breasts and men (and other women) encourage them to do so.
Yes, it would be wrong if you asked a woman to show her breasts in the workplace or in a store or even in a regular bar. But Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras is a situation where it’s an acceptable request to make and an acceptable act to take.
But the rule of “no means no” still applies.