Is grown men wanting to have sex with teenagers really all that weird?

The fantastic blowjob she just gave you.

As a middle aged man, I can tell you that young women 18 to 30 are wonderful to look at. It makes up for the fat and balding that accompanies middle aged. I smile inside and think, “I’d fuck her in a heartbeat”. Then they say something really kiddie cute like and I scream inside “nooooo!”

Sigh. Somebody always says this, and I always think it’s a ridiculous statement. Specifically, the “he can’t have a relationship with a woman who is his peer”. Who says he “can’t”? For the record, I haven’t dated or even had sex with anybodyin quite a long time, mostly by choice. But if I was in the market, there’s one huge difficulty WRT “women my own age” that has been true since I passed 30: I’m not interested in chasing after married women. I assume we can all agree that’s a good thing. As we get older, the likelihood that the people we meet are married goes way up, and eventually it just gets frustrating when, every time you meet someone your age who you find attractive, it turns out they’re already married and thus off-limits.

Okay, so what about divorced women? No problem there, except for the fact that I don’t make $50,000+/year and I’m not prepared to assume financial responsibility for her three kids. I’d love to be able to, but sad the fact is I’m not able. On the upside, I’m getting old enough for the odds to lean toward her kids being grown and gone, removing that factor from consideration.

Then there are the disparities in what different generations consider either “standard procedure” or “gross” when it comes to sex. For example, I enjoy both receiving and giving oral sex. But when I was still active sexually I discovered that women my own age or slightly older tended to refuse both. Sure, sure, complain that I don’t last long enough, but refuse all of my efforts to make sure you get off first. I was never into “wham, bam, thank you ma’am”, but that’s all women my age and older seemed to want. I discovered that younger women were more willing to engage in things beyond a simple rote kiss/play with titties/fuck.

Nine!? Holy fuck, NINE? What the flying fuck, Yemen? Why have an age of consent at all? I mean, seriously, what pedo Yemen leader said to themselves, “Eight, that’s just a child, but a nine year old is perfectly ready.”

That, my friends, is why I couldn’t give two fat turds what the rest of the world’s age of consent is. Let Brazil keep their fourteen and and Japan can keep their thirteen. If Americans can’t justify a lowered age of consent within the study of adolecent psychology and within their own conscious, then who gives a rat’s ass what Iceland is doing?

Do you think America has these laws and limits because of some scientific study? No, America has them because a bunch of old Christian men listen to their ministers more than they do to scientists. IMO YMMV.

Q: “Why do rich middle aged men date incredibly hot younger women?”

A: “Because they can.”

Let’s face it. A big wallet is much sexier than a big dick.

That must be what she meant by girth over length…

When did ‘the scientists’ say it’s okay to have sex with a nine year old? A thirteen year old?

In actual fact, low ages of consent are often found in patriarchal religious cultures. Victorian women’s rights campaigners were struggling against white Christian men used to treating women and girls like sexualised property when they campaigned to raise the British age of consent for girls to 16.

Fine. Let’s have a scientific study. Off the top of my head, we could do a large random sample survey recording the age of virginity lost and age of the partner they lost it to. Then let’s find out if that age in any way correlates with a person’s perceived abily to have a meaningful relationship, their personal happiness, or, you know, if they’re registered sex offenders.

If that study says that 13 is the optimal age for one to begin a relationship with an adult, I owe you a coke. Or a nubile 14 year old, in keeping with the thread.

I have to wonder who this “society” is that frowns on dating much younger women. My GF (who is around my age at 33) was telling me about some coworker or friend of a friend or whoever who is in his mid thirties. Apparently this guy started dating a 25 year old girl and all they do is sit around playing XBox. I’m like “uh…you aren’t exactly selling me on why this is a bad thing.”

It’s been a long time since I’ve been a teenager, but I don’t recall the blowjobs being all that much to write home about. With a younger girl, you are often forgoing experience and self-confidence for a pretty package.

I never suggested any such thing – quite the opposite.

I was replying specifically to this statement by Small Hen:

I was denying that adolescent psychology played some major role in determining the age of consent in American law.

Yeah? But why? Like I said, maximum female fertility has evolutionarily happened around 30-35ish, and the best proof of fertility is having already borne and raised a child. So why do humans overwhelmingly consider female attractiveness to reside in markers that correlate strongly with not being pregnant, having never been pregnant, and having only recently exited puberty, all of which are markers of below average fertility?

Male chimps prefer to mate with older females, apparently because they are more likely to leave offspring that way:

Just saying “humans like new and shiny” isn’t an answer; this preference is ingrained, and different from that of animals, so there probably IS a teleological reason. The issue is proving it.

Fair enough. But if the old age of consent law was set by the gut feeling of white Christians, why would it be better to set it based on the gut feeling of non-Christians, or anyone’s gut feeling for that matter? I would love it if American laws were rooted more firmly in science. I say, if you want age of consent to be 12, show me via psychology studies that most 12 year olds will not be harmed by this.

I felt fine about lusting after Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby, because she was clearly offered as a fresh young sex object, both to other characters in the movie and to us in the audience. She was 12.

However, the character Baby in Dirty Dancing is another story. I could sometimes see her as the attractive protagonist, but mostly saw her as Jerry Orbach’s little girl, and found it creepy that I could find any attraction there at all. Actress Jennifer Grey, who played the part in 1987, was born in 1960.

JonBenet Ramsey was a tarted up little hottie, too. Or, well, no, Jesus, no she wasn’t. But she was made up like one. Wasn’t she? I mean, I guess I can’t tell. The most shown picture of her looks to me like a freshly-painted hooker, but with the small mouth and tiny teeth of a child barely old enough to know how to read. It’s a nightmarish confusion. I don’t even know whether to feel like a creep for noticing or to feel rightious about realizing what they were doing with her image.

The dark tradition of almost-secret lust after too-young girls has left a trail of confused old men, it appears, and sold many Britney Spears albums too, I guess.

Mr. Excellent gave the perfect wisdom on the subject by saying “The problem with adults going after teenagers is that the teenagers aren’t their peers - this isn’t an equal relationship, so there can’t really be meaningful consent.” If you honor that truth, everything else is fine.

I have only read the thread title, not the posts. Here’s my two cents based on my own personal experience.

When my daughter was sixteen she got involved with a man who was 25. When she turned eighteen she moved in with him. I told her that he was bad news regularly; she still hates me for it. He taught her all about sex, drugs and booze. She left him when she was twenty after he had taken
$8-10,000 from her and gone to jail twice for beating her.

I find the older, more mature person who is involved with the younger immature person, but is in it for the younger person’s benefit to be a myth.

I call bullshit; stop deluding yourself and grow up.

You sure about that? When I was 17 I dated a 25 year old. I’m sure there are some who are cheering the guy on. But it was not equal in any way. Let’s break this down:

I was 17, in high school and living with my parents. So if we hung out, it had to be at his place.
I was working as a hostess and barely made any money, so if he wanted to go out anywhere, he was paying.
I was young, I had barely experienced anything. So the life stories and thoughts? All coming from him.

What was equal about it, really? I was a teenager and living and acting like a teenager. All power and decision in the relationship would be on his side. That was creepy. It was legal in my state, but it was creepy.

To further contribute to my anecdote here, when I was 20 I dated a 33 year old. This guy was much older than the first guy, yet in recollection, I don’t think this one was creepy. I had an apartment, an ok job, and just other things going on in my life. I had traveled, formed opinions and thoughts and generally had something to offer as a person that I completely lacked as a teenager.

The problem as I see it is thus. Teenagers generally have little to offer a grown man beyond their bodies. Teenagers are also young, inexperienced and unable to differentiate between a guy lusting after their body and a guy interested in them as a person. It’s weird and creepy to abuse that for sex. Let them grow up and then chase them when they know enough to say they want sex or they want a relationship.

It’s interesting that you claim to have read the title and not the posts because you haven’t addressed the title at all.

The rule of thumb* I learned was [Younger] >= [Older]/2 + 7. So you folks were okay once she hit 24.

*whether a subject should be mocked as a Cradle Robber

ETA: 55 >> 39.5 so you guys are TOTALLY in the clear now. :smiley:

Are you getting the early to mid-thirties maximum fertility thing from Nancy Etcoff? Because everything I’ve ever studied in anthropology states that hunter-gatherer women have their first child at an average age of 19. I’d like to see a cite for that if you can find it.