Right, but if you indignantly ask, after someone talks about how republicans believe that policy should be based off the fact that women who get raped can’t get pregnant, for examples, and someone quotes Todd Akin, are you going to be satisfied, or are you going to rightfully point out that that’s got fuck-all to do with the actual republican party platform?
Neither QuickSilver’s question, nor my response, had “fuck-all to do with the actual [democrat] party platform”. Feel free to point out that Maxine Waters is a shitty democrat if you like, I certainly won’t stop you (in fact, I’ll probably agree with you).
Personally, I try not to make a habit of “indignantly” asking for examples when one can be readily supplied that is quite obviously a member of my party.
FWIW, I don’t believe asahi was trying to smear Democrats generally as anti-business or anti-military. His quote, that started this whole discussion was simply:
It struck me as a rather genuine and positive post without snarkiness or malice. And QuickSilver’s follow-up seemed more like a plea for specifics than anything “indignant”, but he did ask the question, and a ready answer popped into my mind, so I shared it. As I’ve already said, my answer wasn’t an attempt to smear all Dems as anti-business either.
I agree that my post was somewhat vague. I guess what I was getting at is how would liberal democrats feel if their party’s next superstar were a white male war veteran who talked about maintaining a strong national defense and not a community organizer who apologized for America’s foreign policy misadventures? Note: like you, I hope we find a way to spend less on the military, gracefully exit from nation building, and invest more at home.
What if said white male military veteran also disagreed with the more hardened liberal Democrats on regulation. One area that economists have expressed optimism with Trump is on rolling back business regulation - IIRC there are more federal regulations on business than at any point in American history. Economists I’ve seen/read are probably open to more taxation but they want less regulation in return. Suppose we had a white male military veteran who, to the delight of progressives, argued for increasing taxation on business and wealthy individuals and using that revenue for investment in infrastructure and healthcare, yet argued for some modest rollback of regulations.
There has been much discussion about trying to convert Trump supporters, but which ones? Nobody’s going to convert abortion rights activists or people who listen to Alex Jones. But they absolutely can otherwise convert a fair number of educated businessmen, the self-employed, the start-up entrepreneurs, the suburban divorced single mother who busts ass waiting tables to raise three kids. I don’t think Democrats are going to be successful campaigning in major cities alone; they’re going to have to go to the places where they’ve felt increasingly uncomfortable over the past 10 years, which is mostly white rural and suburban America.
I don’t know about the liberal democrats, but I can tell you what conservatives would call him: “an out-of-touch ultraliberal from Taxachussetts”. :rolleyes:
That’s going to be a hard charge to make stick against Seth Moulton.
Good point!
Well, peachy keen! Then the misleading dishonesty that you posted was not the responsibility of Fox News! I am much relieved that such a beacon of candor and honesty is not besmirched!
And when did you know this? When you first offered this somewhat tainted citation, or after I bitched about it?
The problem for Republicans is that they have 50 state platforms, which often have let’s say colorful planks in them. There is seldom any difficulty in finding multiple examples of extreme beliefs espoused by multiple party leaders. Deplorable, I know.
Try being more accurate / honest with your attributions in the future, k?
Do you think there might also be examples of “extreme beliefs” in the Democrat’s 50 state platforms?
Sure. But the only people who actually read party platforms are simply looking for some cheap point to score in some cheap debate. Platform committees are ways to get the worst hotheads and ideologues out of the way while letting them feel important about it, that’s all.
I think we have hit the basic problem. A Republican says something - spin it as hard as you can against him and condemn it as the worst thing in the world. When Obama tells the Whopper of the Year for 2012, you yell that you don’t care.
:shrugs:
Regards,
Shodan
To recap: you posted something that inaccurately/dishonestly described Waters’s attributes. Elucidator called you on that, but mistook which entity was responsible for the inaccurate/dishonest attributes given to Waters. Your response, rather than to take your original cite to task, or to apologize for giving an inaccurate/dishonest cite, is to sneer at 'luci.
Is that about right?
You first, or did you forget to answer the question?
Going strictly by the lack of right-wing media’s screaming about them 24/7 I’ll guess no.
Anyone supporting the near-constant lying of Trump and then impugning Obama for one (1) has no credibility whatsoever.
Disregards,
Ace
That’s just a restatement of what I said - Timewinder doesn’t care, and you won’t believe it.
Whatever,
Shodan
What I posted was a YouTube video showing Maxine Waters’ bungled nationalization threat. I just grabbed the first video of that incident that I found. Bitching about the source, or the caption of the particular YouTube video, or the comments made in the video’s comment sections strikes me as stupid quibbling. It was worse because elucidator’s stupid quibbling was also incorrect, and it was more annoying because he chose to call a link to Maxine Waters’ actual statement “the misleading dishonesty that you posted”, so yes, I sneered at him and I’m sneering at you now. The cite I was referring to was Maxine Waters’ statement to the Shell exec. That it happened to be embedded on a page with some particular characterization of her, or with comments that are uncharitable towards her, does not interest me. You should both take a lesson from QuickSilver’s grown-up response to it.
Now that I’ve bothered to type out this reply to you, I’m kind of curious: what about the cite, in particular, did you find “inaccurate/dishonest”?
Yeah, he moved there. But us reasonable Musilim hatin’ Patriotic Patriots know better.
Missed edit time: Obama claims to hail from Hawaii, but us gun-totin’ Muslim’ hatin’ yada-yada-yada.