I doubt it. Companies that have contracts with Deen have already suspended him.
There is no ‘dominant’ trend in porn anymore. Like most other media, the internet has allowed any and every niche and preversion (sic) access to a market. Whereas before there were only a few content providers, very few outlets, and many (but discreet) customers, now it has been turned upside-down. There are an almost limitless number of content providers, a nearly unlimited distribution pipeline, and now unlimited and anonymous customers.
No one style of porn has achieved dominance. The above factors have increased so exponentially that simply *every *style is now represented. As the meme goes: If it exists, there’s a porn version of it on the internet (now even including Rosie O’Donnell). God bless America… 
And yet two of those women are the very ones who are alleging rape and abuse. The (unfortunate) willingness of some women to stay with their abusers, and to delay before reporting the abuse, doesn’t change the fact that it happens.
Also, a couple of the women have made clear that this is about more than Deen; it’s about the fact that he was often abusive (beyond acceptable and agreed-upon boundaries) during porn shoots, but nothing was done because of his popularity and his power in the industry.
While companies like Kink have cut ties with him, the fact is that they only did this after these allegations were aired outside of the porn community. Some of the women who have made these allegations say that they had talked to people in the industry about the issue, but no-one wanted to hear it. If the allegations are true, the behavior of the porn studios like Kink is a bit like the NFL waiting until the elevator video was released before taking real action against Ray Rice: a day late and a dollar short.
mhendo, I agree with all of that. I’m not sure why you think you’re arguing with me.
There are people who don’t like the existence of porn and would be happy for an excuse to ban it. So porn companies need to be like Caesar’s wife in maintaining a scandal-free image. Which means nobody is going to want to work with Deen.
I think this is correct, but it demonstrates precisely the problem that i suggested in my previous post.
They’re going to dump Deen NOT because they care that much about the fact that he might be a raping abusing asshole, but because the fact that he might be a raping abusing asshole has become public knowledge outside of the porn industry.
The Kink studio that ditched Deen has always presented itself as a place that caters to the BDSM and extreme sex crowd while also respecting the limits set by its performers and promoting a healthy and safe work environment for them. That they foot-dragged on this until the story got public traction suggests that their carefully-crafted PR image might be bullshit.
I am somewhat surprised that this James Deen stuff is a surprise. He has become more and more of a repellently abusive asshole in his scenes. I can’t watch them and haven’t been able to for some time. What he is being accused of seems to be very present onscreen, at least to me.
What is this comment supposed to mean? Do you not believe that snuff films exist? Assuming you define “snuff film” to mean one that depicts a murder and is pornographic in nature, while there are a lot of videos of real murder most of them are not pornographic, that is true. But I’d say the 1 Lunatic, 1 Icepick video of Luka Rocco Magnotta* murdering his nude boyfriend, then dismembering, and having sex with the corpse qualifies.
When it was released, a lot of people who saw it online attempted to report it to the authorities. At first they actually did dismiss it believing it to be fake, but later confirmed it was real (not sure whether that was before or after people started receiving the dismembered body parts that he sent through the mail). Interestingly, he was convicted of the rare charge of “publishing obscene materials” for making the video, and the owner of the site that spread it to the internet is still awaiting trial for the extremely rare charge of “corrupting public morals” (this is in Canada).
*Link is just a SFW link to the Wiki page about the murderer, nothing gross. But I don’t recommend watching the actual video.
I never considered it any surprise. I think the people who are surprised about it are the people who had bought into the (largely media-created) myth of Deen as some sort of feminist porn hero. There have been a bunch of major media outlets over the past few days, including the New York Times, pointing out that Deen himself never really did much to deserve this label. Deen’s popularity was pushed by many women (including, apparently, many teenaged girls) who saw him as a cute, boy-next-door type, and who bought into the quiet and thoughtful image he presented in mainstream interviews.
Bryan Sevilla was apparently playing more parts than people realized. On the one hand, he played characters in porn films and, as you note, some of those characters mistreated women. But Sevilla was also playing the character of James Deen in public - he would do interviews and appear on talk shows where he presented himself as a good person and disassociated himself from the characters he played in movies. And it worked. I’ve seen Sevilla/Deen appear in public and I never suspected he was an asshole in private.
Yes, this really really bothers me. I think of kink.com as a major representative of ethical bdsm culture but the way they handled this seriously undercuts their ability to play that role. 
[hijack] WTF? Shoujo (or Shôjo) covers everything made for girls from elementary school up to about age 18. How precisely is this a “niche audience”? :dubious: :dubious: :dubious: [/hijack]
As to the porn question… I sometimes hang out on 4chan for the anime/manga related stuff; on a couple of occasions I have wandered into the boards that cover heterosexual live-action porn, and frankly the amount of sexist, misogynistic, or downright violence-against-women-promoting talk is really disturbing. Apparently there are enough men out there who like the mean stuff to make it a profitable audience…
Good point. This in and of itself has always been a surprise to me. I guess I get the desire to be, I dunno, handled, in a somewhat bluff and masterful way. But does anyone besides a small subset of people really enjoy being grabbed, hard, by the face or throat; slapped in the face or smacked in the breast; spit on, etc? I never got what the majority of Deen fans really saw in his onscreen behavior.
This. It seems to be a small but persistent subgenre of gay porn, at least (I can’t speak to the straight stuff), and it really does absolutely nothing for me. If anything, it makes me uninterested in the clip. I don’t get off on humiliation and I really don’t like even accidentally watching it.
I had no idea about this. I assumed they dropped him as soon as the allegations were made. I was overjoyed that a porn company actually believed the women’s allegations and did something about it. I am… disappointed.
Well I should clarify. They did drop him as soon as the public allegations on twitter were made. What I’m disappointed about (and this might be what you were talking about too, if so, then nevermind this post!) is that they worked with him for so long while his misogynistic behavior was apparently an “open secret”.
And the nannies too!