No, I’m not going to define misogynstic. We can do that in the thread. Poll coming in a minute or two.
I voted 11-33%. There is a style out there that has distinctly nasty overtones. It isn’t present in all, or even most, porn by any measure though.
73.25%.
Your precision is … disturbing.
Sorry for the slightly asinine response. It’s just a question that’s almost impossible to quantify beyond very loose terms. Some definitely is, perhaps even a majority, but not all.
Mind if I await what definition we’ll be using before providing my guesstimate? Because out there in the world you’d have positions anywhere from MacKinnon/Dworkin clones who’d say that if it’s porn it’s per se not just misogynistic but in and of its very existence an act of violence against women, to those at the opposite extreme who’d say that as long as all parties signed the releases and received the agreed-upon payment then any performance, porn or not, is just an exercise of the free market and there’s no need to deconstruct for ideological implications.
You can use your own definition, of course, and specify in the thread. I don’t expect we’ll have a consensus on what misogyny means.
I’d like to answer… but I think I need to do more research; I don’t think I’ve seen even half of the porn out there. I’d say based on the movies I have seen, and assume are marketed to that demographic about 72,32% fit to some arbitrarily selected definition of misogynistic.
BRB, [del]watching porn.[/del] doing research.
I said between 11 and 33, but really I don’t know if I’ve seen a broad spectrum of it or not. But there’s some pretty hateful stuff out there.
Well, I’m a pro-porn feminist and I find the question difficult to answer, but I put 11-33% as a best guess. I think the vast majority of male-marketed porn is sexist, in that it’s aimed at turning men on and isn’t interested in what’s sexy to women. But I’d consider that only a minority of it actually expresses any kind of hatred towards women. In terms of the average porn that you’re likely to find just by surfing porn sites, it would be towards the lower end of that range, but obviously when you factor in violent porn (which is much less common than non-porn watchers seem to think) you have to raise the number a bit.
Can you define “marketed?” Speaking for myself, I don’t base my porn viewing habits on any kind of advertising. I can go to a website that has categories and watch what I feel like watching.
Not enough.
Misogyny is one of the defining characteristics of manliness, and our porn ought to teach it and teach it well. These young slacker-hipsters looking at pix of women just getting off, sometimes even without men, are not learning to be men in a sexual sense, and they’re going to be in for a nasty surprise when no woman wants to have sex with them.
The most misogynistic stuff isn’t sold as porn: The Girls Gone Wild videos are something more akin to stag films from the Good Old Days, not actual pornographic material, and that’s a lot more misogynistic than the vast majority of porn as it takes advantage of more of the women who appear on camera.
Most of it. It’s all bangbangbang and if a couple had sex exactly the way the pr0n couple did, it’s pretty much a given that the woman will not have an orgasm, and might very well be in some substantial pain from knocked ovaries, bruised cervix, chafing and unprotected buttsecks.
I guess size matters in descriptive words as well…
I mean, is that gagging thing they seem to always do these days misogynist? I’d say yeah, it is.
Gagging isn’t my thing but I’m wondering about the following:
How would you qualify gagging in gay porn? Misandry?
If not, if it’s possible for a gay man to enjoy gagging while not hating the gender of the gagged person, why is it not possible for a straight man to do so?
I voted 34%-50% but it’s really just a vague guess. I have noticed more men complaining about it than liking it, however. I think the sellers may think that men in general are more misogynistic than they actually are.
The porn itself or the marketing? Whether certain porn is or isn’t misogynistic is up for debate, but I’d say a good 50-75% of copy on internet banners and video descriptions imply that certain women are dirty, bitches, need to be punished, getting what they ‘deserve,’ not enjoying their sexual experience, young and stupid, reduced to their ethnicity/cup size/hair color. (Just headed over to one free porn site which pretty much confirmed this – except one of the videos titled ‘Lesbian sex slave treated well’ which made me laugh out loud.)
ETA Forgot to add that I know quite a few people who are actually involved in marketing porn and, while they are a few of the cool ones, yes, misogyny (and racism, and homophobia) are the norm in their offices. They are, generally, angry at women for giving them hard-ons.
Cat Fight, while I agree with the rest of your post, within the context of porn (i.e., something people consume for pure gratification) is reducing a woman (or man, or horse, or whatever) to an ethnicity, hair color, or cup size misogynist? (Or misandrist, or, um, misequinist?) I would tend to say no, in the same way that there’s nothing wrong with going right to the porn you want - if anal is what gets you turned on, is it somehow bigoted to just consume anal porn? I don’t think that treating women in porn as commodities (get one off the D cup shelf, from the redhead side) is necessarily bigoted considering that an actress’ personality is frankly not at all at issue within the function of the medium.
ETA - you touched on something I find very disturbing - I am a LOT more bothered by racism in porn than by misogyny.