Is it me, or is porn just getting mean?

I’ve noticed that a lot of Straight porn is Gangbangs or MFM threesomes. Double penetration has been around for years, but there are quite a lot of Double Anal and/or Double Vaginal vids also.

As a gay dude, I’ll confess my dirty little secret…I love watching Str8 porn with two guys in the same hole, it’s hotter than any gay porn could ever be. I think it’s because the guys are obviously getting some please from their cocks rubbing together inside the same hole…and if they finish with a "friendly fire’ cumshot (one dude blows some/all of his load on another dude’s cock and balls ‘accidentally’…

And some of the guys who do the gangbangs and get into some very unique and rather homoerotic positions really seem almost too comfortable with it all. I’ve seen a guy accidentally pop out of hole and the other guy grabs it and slips it back in with his without a second thought…

I’m such a sick perv, it’s one of best qualities…

You can basically find anything you want (given legal considerations). I can suggest a couple of other genres that might suit you more. Look for “homemade” porn. I can’t stand watching people that are obviously “acting”. That destroys all of the enjoyment for me. Homemade is by people who are in a relationship and (usually) obviously enjoying themselves. “Amateur” porn usually is not as good, as it often has professional porn companies working with alleged “amateurs”. Also check out “romantic” or “female friendly”. Finally, my current favorite can be found on you porn and searching for “rita massage”. :slight_smile:

Back when porn was shown in theaters, it had to appeal to enough of the audience to make money. So, it was reasonably vanilla and hit all the usual bases and positions. It also had to be long enough to look like a regular movie, so there was time for plot. And a good chunk of the audience had to wait until they got home to act on it.
Today it has to be just long enough to include the good parts, and can make money appealing to a much smaller niche audience. Including being mean.
Back 30 years ago manufacturing types spoke about how automation would let factories produce products so customized that it would be made in batches of one - and this came true with Dell.
That’s almost happening with porn. When the animation software gets good and cheap enough, you will be able to go on line and generate a porn movie that only you will want to watch, and it won’t be very expensive. You get some actors and actresses to go through all the motions with motion capture hardware on them (and hell, through in some goats) and you are good to go.

The first filmmaker who does this will make a fortune.
Porn always makes use of new technology first.

I actually saw something kind of similar to this once. It wasn’t 3D modeled and there were no goats (thank god), but it was a customizable porn video. It used Flash player to show short porn clips, and at the end of each clip there would be some options. For example, it would start with the actress undoing the guys pants and taking his dick out, and you’d have the options “lick” and “suck head”. By the end of this century EVERYTHING will customizable.

…and you just know someone will seek to outlaw the technology because Think Of The Children…

Which will make it really take off.

I don’t think this is necessarily true. It seems to me that most of the porn you see today is misogynistic or just plain silly (bizarre?). Like the OP, I’m > 50 y/o, and it’s obvious to me that there must not be a market for plain old fashioned porn that doesn’t involve the ass hole and ends with a nice jizz shot.

I hate how often the word “misogynistic” gets thrown around.

I don’t think anal or a money shot are inherently misogynistic.
Both acts happen a lot in gay porn too, and no-one would say gay men are engaging in misandry.

Strangling, face fucking etc are another kettle of fish, as I’ve said, and I too don’t grok this kind of porn. But this type of thing is definitely minority not majority porn.

There is definitely misogynistic porn, even if you don’t consider anal or money shots misogynistic by definition.

Yes, I know. I was taking exception to “most of the porn you see today is misogynistic or just plain silly”.

Oh, one data point I forgot until now:

Porn comics (drawn or computer-generated) and hardcore erotic literature almost always depict all participants as mega-horny / hugely enjoying themselves.
Torture porn does exist in these formats, but outside of porn marketed for that specific audience looking for that specific thing, it’s pretty rare.

This supports my contention that most men don’t get off on seeing abusive porn, and it’s frequency in live-action porn says more about the people / culture of the porn industry.

Still feel that way now?

I don’t think porn has gotten especially ‘mean’ but that is probably because my tastes are about as mainstream and bland as they come. I know that the really hard-core stuff exists but, I simply don’t watch it (if you find yourself staring at it for more than a few seconds at a time by accident, the problem probably isn’t with your computer or TV).

What has exploded is the range and availability of porn and it turns out that a huge number or people that aren’t perverts in real life have bizarre and really specific tastes in it. The market expanded accordingly so you get everything from hugely popular written porn like The 50 Shades of Grey to cuckhold videos to torture porn. I seriously doubt that even a small percentage of people that fantasize about such things would want to experience it in real life but that is why the fictional format is so successful.

There are some bizarre sub-genres of porn out there including a thriving one that involves dinosaurs raping women (mostly consumed by women). Here is a Cracked.com article from a man that writes mind-control incest pornography books for an almost exclusively female audience. That audience isn’t all that large and he isn’t into it himself but enough women buy it reliably for him to make a decent living based on that one formula alone. The vast majority of niche pornography isn’t meant for a general audience because that market is already saturated with the youngest, best and most beautiful. The rest of the writers, directors and producers are looking to tap into a small but reliable niche that makes them some consistent money. It is a business like anything else.

Will no one think of the kids?

Some people do unfortunately.

Zombie porn is particularly savage, but I suppose this is still a topic worth discussing.

Regarding Deen: most of his co-stars probably did enjoy working with him. A couple of them liked him enough to date him. The man is good at sex, and I’m sure he can make a woman very happy when he chooses to. Unfortunately, it sounds like sometimes he prefers to abuse people.

Now the really uncomfortable question is, will we see a special niche market emerge for porn featuring alleged rapists? I can easily imagine that some people would pay for that.

I’m torn. On the one hand, I like some pretty rough, and one might say demeaning, stuff of the dominance and submission variety. On the other hand, I sometimes get really existentially angsty when I think about the fact that so many people are getting off on the degredation of women. I don’t know if it’s hyprocritical but I can’t control how I’m wired and I don’t suppose others can either. But it seems like there’s a thin line where things can go from arousing to disturbing pretty damned fast.

I guess I can’t comment too much on mainstream porn, although it feels to me like BDSM is becoming more mainstream. But I will say is that in some ways I feel like the BDSM stuff is nicer. I can’t remember what the production company is, but a number of fairly hardcore BDSM videos I’ve seen on RedTube feature interviews with the women before and after, in which it’s clear they were consenting and enjoying themselves. This matters to me.

Of course they would. Notorious serial killers and rapists have people lining up to date and even marry them even while they are still in prison. There is even a Doper that worked with the person involved on the victim side of this notorious German cannibalism fetish case (in other words, he volunteered to get eaten by choice by someone he met on the internet and went through with it). All it took was a polite ad stating “looking for a well-built 18- to 30-year-old to be slaughtered and then consumed.” and an intelligent professional actually responded and followed through with the offer and it threw the German justice system in a brief tizzy because it was consensual murder which they didn’t know how to handle.

All I can say is some people really are depraved but I don’t think that applies to most people. However, given the huge number people in the world, there is some market for even the most bizarre fetishes and those people that are currently underserved will pay to see it or read about it. A very few other people are interested and that is who they are fishing for. I have seen advertisements for abusive and extreme videos but I don’t click on them because I am not interested. I would be happy watching pretty college girls flash for beads all day long but as soon as the spitting and slapping breaks out, that window is getting killed faster than a mouse in a trap. That is all it takes to avoid such content.

Within a year, I fully expect someone to produce a rape-fetish porno about young Bill Cosby, played by James Deen in blackface.

A possible explanation?

With the advent of amateur porn available on the web for free, maybe the professionals need to find a product that people will still pay for.

Just as the VCR killed the porn movies (yes, 8 and 16mm porn films were made), the web has killed the videotape (and DVD) porn…
A rapidly shrinking market will drive all kinds of chaos.

If I want to see straight, boring sex, there are plenty of young people who believe they have invented sex and are eager to demonstrate the secret. For Free!