Well said.
I’m aghast at the amount of macho posturing we’ve seen in this thread; it’s OK guys, you can give it a rest now - I got the message - you have really phenomenally large penises and I should stand in awe.
It’s not macho, IMHO a grown hu-man does not fight in public either, unless physically assaulted.
It’s a matter of self-control, civility and decorum to act rationally in public space.
Like I give a shit what Scumpump, Jennyrocity or DirtyKash thinks about this. They’re my emotions and my tears.
I don’t go out in public and start bawling for no reason shouting, “Hey everybody, look at me. I’m crying.” But if a cry sneaks up on me and takes me over, I wouldn’t care if I was on TV, let alone in public.
“It’s all about dignity.”
What are you people? Vulcans?
Well,
(I have been out of town all week so I couldn’t respond to this sooner)
The mods have seen fit to move this thread to the Pit. NOW you can call me names. Calling me a rude prick while this thread was in the other fourm was wrong Sezme, but then again you must be used to being wrong.
Here is your first post.
Bolding by Zebra
This is your idea of watching out for your fellow man?
Then what ever happens, no matter how much I beg, no matter how much I plead, please for the love of God do not ever watch out for me.
You, Sezme are a moron. I am not a psychologist but I’ll bet money that the repression of emotion is a far bigger cause of mental breakdowns than expressing them ever will but since you dont’ have a soul you also don’t have any emotions to express. That is why they baffle you so much, and of course what you don’t understand you fear. I bet you’re afraid of a lot of things.
Coulda sworn I’d seen Samuelsson win the event twice. Maybe I saw the 1998 competition once too many:)
Magnus Ver Magnusson won 4 times, joined by Jean Paul Sigmarsson, with Bill Kazmaier one behind them.
How about you gain even the slightest knowledge of classical civilization, and then you get back to me? Same for you, MGibson. You may know the plot of the Iliad, but you seem to have missed some steps in applying it to social history. Odysseus also cried, but not for anyone’s death, just at his own sorrowful journey.
Know what I think I’m going to do? I’m going to go to bed and pretend this thread never happened. I refuse to believe that I not only live in the same world as some of you folks, but post on the same message board.
Sexism goes both ways.
Ellis Dee
So you measure manhood and humanity by the volume of fucking that a person does?
Your “relate to the human experience” scale needs some calibration. There are lots of reasons, aside from moral conviction, that a person might abstain from sex and — NEWSFLASH! — still be a person. Various sexual dysfunctions, physical abnormalities, deformities, and paralysis are but a few.
Know what? You’re a dick, but I bet you’re glad you are.
Honestly, if there were Vulcans, and I could be one, I would. I would be hanging with a better class of people, where reason and rationality trumps emotionalism and dogmatism.
If a person is in the grip of profound depression, crying is often not controllable----it just happens. The person in the OP might well be profoundly depressed after going through a divorce. Leaving him alone with his misery is the act of a coward, and one who is not a friend, at that. You people who feel that a man cannot cry in public, no matter what, deserve to experience great emotional pain and to be abandoned by your “friends” when you need them the most. Since this is now in the pit, who needs enemies when the world is full of assholes like you.
Why does dogmatism go with emotionalism? Logic is a dogma for Vulcans. (Incidentally, all they ever use is primitive first-order logic, so they’re not even very sophisticated.)
A class of people who deny their emotions would be better?
Without emotions there would be no poetry; there ould be no music; there would be no art. Emotions make people interesting. That’s the world I want to live in. Not the one where it isn’t “cool” to be myself. I’m not saying you shouldn’t endeavor to control your emotions because, let’s face it, without emotions there may not be wars.
But on the whole, I’d say, “I wish I was a Vulcan” is the battle cry of the emotionally repressed … or the treminally nerdy.
Scumpup may be my new favorite poster.
::runs away, crying::
From Papermache Prince-
DirtyKash -
Repeat this untill you understand what it means to be a man.
May take a decade or so.
Part of being a man is doing what needs to be done. Dosen’t matter if it’s raining, dosen’t matter if it’s cold.
Doesn’t matter if for some stupid fucking reason it embarrasses you.
A bigger part of being a man, or a person, is supporting your family and friends.
You abandoned your friend when he needed you.
Jesus wept, this is a tragic thread!
A few years back, one of my in-laws kids fell down and hurt himself. He was about 4 at the time, and started trotting back to the house crying. I met him on the path and asked what had happened. When he saw me, he stopped running, turned his face away, and taking a deep breath wiped his tears away. He then walked straight past me. I wanted to go in and kick the shit out of his parents. 4 years old and brainwashed, great.
I swear to god, I thank christ I am a woman. I mean ok, I get paid less for the same work, but at least I haven’t been socialised into being an emotional cripple.
Thanks, iteki. Good to hear from a dubliner in sweden.
Iteki -
I have a funny story that’s just the opposite, I think.
Years ago, I was helping a neighbor load up her car. I ended up putting her daughter in the car.
I’m afraid that I accidentally bumped the little girls head when I put her in. Her mom saw all of this and thought nothing of it.
Her mom then asked the daughter to thank me.
The little girl turned to me, and in an immediate crying fit said - Thank you.
But really, why do we cry? I lost a beloved dog of 13 years a month ago. I still cry about that.
I slammed my finger in a door loosing the nail, 6 weeks ago. Didnt’ cry, but let out a quick yelp.
DirtyKash has been spanked hard within these posts, I’ve done it myself. Don’t know if he/she is reading these or not, but I hope it makes them think a bit.
All this ‘manly’ crap aside, no one should abandon someone in desperate need.
You are not a monster if you run away from a difficult situation. But you will become a better person if you stay and deal with it.
What female comic said “I like men who cry, just not men who cry more than me”?
Logic is a method making decision and answering questions. Logic is the underpinning of the scientific method. Dogma supplies the answers before the question is even asked. Bad dogma goes so far as to deny its adherents the freedom to investigate questions that could conceivably provide answers contrary to the dogma. Spare me the details of how Vulcans are bad at it, as my point in suggesting a Vulcan society is preferable is about preference for logic to emotion.
Listen, I do not defend abandoning a friend who is undergoing a crisis. Nor do I deny the value of emotion. It is the flavor of life.
But I’m repressed because I prefer not to witness the emotional agony of a stranger? WTF? Do you stop and take a good stare at a wreck on the highway?
I’m sorry they’re suffering that agony. I wish they weren’t, but since they are, I wish they displayed it elsewhere.
Boyo Jim
So, If I were to get into a wreck on the HWY with Mrs. Zebra and Mrs. Zebra died in that accident but I somehow walked away. I should not cry to the heavens there over my wife’s dead body becasue it would inconvenience you to have to watch it!?!?!?!?!
Fuck you!
Besides, people who look at accidents on the HWY are looking for heads rolling around.
If I feel upset and, unfortunatly it happens in public, I dont’ give a rat’s ass that some stranger may feel uncomfortable with my pubilc display of emotion. What sort of world do you want to live in? In pubilc everyone is an emotionless drone? Count me out! Actually check that. I’ll count you out of my world where people are allowed to show emotions in public.
Sure, if you want an exception so it’s okay to cry about the death of a family member in the previous few moments, I’m okay with that. But if you are able to stifle yourself, yes, it would make my drive easier.
And all I’ve said here is that crying in public is inappropriate behavior that makes me uncomfortable. That is my opinion. I don’t suggest it be made illegal, I don’t suggest that criers should be in any way “challenged” by passers-by. Just that it’s bad form IMO. And, highway accidents aside. most crying people I’ve personally encountered have been involved in relationship issues, which (again IMO) does not need to be played out in the mall.
And fuck you too, Zebra. At least I haven’t personally attacked anyone here with a contrary opinion to mine. Why? Because I am rational, and willing to concede that other opinions that mine might have some validity.