Naturally progressives believe the various changes they have made to society are good and have made life better. What on earth makes you think conservatives agree? Many are avowedly unhappy with how things are going.
And those laws would be what exactly?
Because many of those things have become enshrined in America- both parties- Social Security, the 40 hour week, medicare, etc.
I’ll refer you back to – at least on my view – post #338 above:
ETA: And #342:
Just a quick f’rinstance:
When the Civil Rights Act was passed, in 1964, and “Christians” HAD to start serving lunch to black people (among other things), what really happened?
When Loving v Virginia was decided, in 1967, legalizing interracial marriage, what really happened??
Did God smite the South?
Did California fall into the sea?
Did the stock market crash??
Did the Soviets suddenly win the Cold War?
Or did a few cognitively rigid and zealously dogmatic religious folks’ heads explode, and … other than that … business as usual (, or better)?
No, but they had legalized it (interracial marriage) in 1948.
And you notice that the only ‘tangible’ consequence the social conservatives can point to is natural disasters.
Proving how unbearably cynical their leaders actually are, and how unimaginably credulous they’ve determined their followers to be.
ETA: incidentally, that was the day I moved back to Annandale 
Couple other related points to ponder:
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It’s hard to imagine any rational justification for letting “Eww,” “Gross,” and “Icky” serve as the basis for our Civil Laws. Wait until we turn that one around on you;
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How many times more likely are you to be shot while shopping than you are to be harmed by an LGBTQ person in the lavatory? Hint: it’s a big number;
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The anti-woke movement is probably the apotheosis of “virtue signaling.” They turn their back on innumerable actual harms every single day in order to demonstrate to their compatriots how ‘good’ and ‘decent’ and ‘just’ and ‘Christian’ they are – all in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus Christ;
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A few quotes that truly capture the essence of Christianity, and are summarily ignored by the most vocal of “Christians:”
Judge not, lest ye be judged
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
WWJD? That. Jesus would do … that. That’s what Jesus would do.
Jesus Christ was the archetype of being Woke AF. His most vocal followers? Not quite so much.
Exactly- the right wing Evangelicals are no longer following the teachings of Jesus. They are no longer really Christians.
Jesus never mentioned- abortion, cross dressing, Homosexuality and a bunch of other things the RW Evangelicals are so sure are so evil.
…indeed. Its hard to have a great debate when someone chooses not to tell us what the debate is about.
As I said, I see no reason to pretend that it is not about trans rights. Let the unspoken be spoken, and let’s move forward.
Thank you for the explanation. I have not previously heard that expression.
Yes. Absolutely. The only way to turn the tide is to find the issues that the working class really want addressed, versus the bogeymen set up by the right and some assumed desires by the left. Visibly meeting with blue collar people and the folks that feel maligned, the self-professed rednecks, the rural population, and taking their concerns seriously, giving them a voice. Then finding real solutions.
Harris saw pocketbook issues and tried to address them with real solutions she could actually implement that would help. But they were specific, and didn’t address the needs of everyone. Trump promised everybody everything, but primarily promised to bring prices back down. The likelihood he can actually do much there is low, but lies sell.
I disagree. Economic improvements that help the middle class and aspiring middle class are doable.
The bigger challenge in my mind is the urban/rural divide. That effects the gun control debate, but also the education/elitist perception.
There is some conflict when you start talking things like energy jobs, because the educated are concerned about climate change and the environmental impact of fracking, but the rural energy workers are concerned about their jobs. Trying to get them on board with transitioning to new energy jobs has been difficult.
But if the Republicans can find a way to merge the working class with the billionaires, there’s got to be some path that will work.
It’s not a strawman. The thread title is about toning down “woke” and the biggest woke issue was trans rights. It’s the issue that was hammered in ads. It’s where the current shortage of understanding and tolerance is manifesting. It’s what is feeding the book banning and education control issues. It’s a bigger bogeyman than CRT.
I’m not sure the pace of change has escalated. I think the accumulation of change has been building. What is different is the disinformation stream has been working on people for three decades, and building a subculture that only trusts version sources that cater to their preconceptions.
It’s the channelization of information and opinions and the social media algorithms siloing information. It feeds the two cultures aspect of our society, where liberals see one way of viewing issues and conservatives a different one. When even the facts aren’t in agreement, opinions certainly can’t be.
Couple that with aging boomers and silent generation still controlling things in a way that older generations didn’t because of advances in longevity and health, and the generation turnover isn’t happening at the same pace.
Indoctrination is very much the key. Decades of feeding the narrative that all liberals are socialists/commies, and conservatives are better for the economy. Decades of mocking liberal attitudes of understanding and treating all people with respect by labels like “politically correct” and “cancel culture” and CRT and “woke”. Making “compromise” a dirty word, then moving to obstruction.
The same people who cheered the Cold War against the Soviet Union now accept the message that Putin’s Russia is not a threat and we shouldn’t be funding Ukraine. Veterans think Trump cares more about them than Biden.
Christians feeling the sting of losing their preferred position in defining morality and imposing their beliefs on society reacting with a surge to the candidate that promises them a return to their preferred state of control.
A lot of Latinos are Catholic, and some are going Protestant but active with conservative morals. They side with the evangelicals.
My small business owner friend got slammed by taxes for Obamacare. These things add up.
That doesn’t stop the Republicans.
…it was?
If that’s the case (and am open to be corrected), then the woke position here is that trans rights are human rights. And that trans women should be able to use the bathroom both of their choice, and which will make them safer. That decisions like puberty blockers for children are a decision best made between the doctor, the parents and the child, based on the science.
Are these positions “popular?” Would most people “oppose” passing laws to protect trans people?
Possibly. But I don’t think issues of human rights should come down to a popularity contest. And when you’ve got one side committed to spending millions spreading mostly false and unscientific propaganda, and the other side basically not wanting to talk about it BECAUSE the topic has been so badly weoponized, the role of the woke here should be obvious.
The woke have to speak out. We can’t afford to tone it down. Because we are the final line of defence. If we don’t hold the line: nobody else will.
Thats why I’m vocal on this board. About trans rights. About indigenous peoples. About the police and prisons. About Gaza. I’m often an unpopular voice. I don’t really care. Actually, that isn’t quite true. It can be painful. You sometimes get accused of the most horrible things. You doubt yourself. It gets lonely.
But in real life: the stakes are so high. Literal lives are on the line. So this particular wokester is never toning it down. No matter how unpopular I get. No matter how much it hurts.
I quote from memory and from an official tv ad endorsed by Trump.
“Kamala Harris thinks the government should pay for sex changes for prisoners!”
“Harris is for they/them! Trump is for you!”
That is only one ad, and only OTTOMH. If I did thirty seconds of searching, even with my weak Google fu, I could find a lot more.
And it’s a rule that makes it much easier for troll and liars to shape the conversation and make their opponents look bad, while making them look better than they are. Just like rules like “don’t call them fascists” have made it much easier for the fascists. The Republicans are trolls, and the “rules of decorum” favor trolls in practice.
Florid has DeSantos ‘Don’t Say Gay’ law. At least one other state has a law that teachers and all other school personell must report the following to parents-
A student starts using a name of a gender other than the one on their birth certificate
A student starts wearing clothes of a gender other than the one on their birth certificate.
A student starts to transition in pretty much any other way.
…thanks 
But it was more of a rhetorical question. Is this unpopular? Sure. But this wokester doesn’t care
Yeah, the greatest aspiration of the post war (WWII) blue collar worker was that their sons would go to college and not have to break their bodies for, fundamentally, nothing in return.
Yes, we see that. But women’s suffrage, birth control access, safe abortions, equal rights for Blacks, legalizing homosexuality, then legalizing gay marriage, kicking prayer out of schools, reducing the influence of Christianity in government and allowing diverse religions acceptance, promoting fairness in hiring, and trying to eradicate sexual harassment in the workplace are all positive goals that improve lives and make our society more open and more free. The people who claim to love freedom as if they are the only ones who do are also the ones trying to take away freedom.
Trans rights are just the next bump on the way to a society that let’s people be themselves.
Yeah, but the Republicans have not only systematically sabotaged such efforts, but successfully blamed the Democrats for it while demonizing anything that might actually help as “socialism”. It’s not an unsolvable problem, it’s just a problem that we’ve as a society refused to solve; and now we’ve put the people who want no solution into power.
True.