Yeah I disagree; those were the channels I was referring to as “milquetoast bothsidesism”.
They basically took the right wing line on things like gaza, open borders and inflation, happy to throw around the “antisemite” card for the former and avoid correcting misinformation on the latter. And indeed on “woke”, the topic of this thread, people like Joe Scarborough would go on long rants about how Democrats shouldn’t be so in hock to left wing “extremists”, minus any cites of what he was talking about.
They break their backs trying to show they are in the political middle, thinking, erroneously, that lack of bias in journalism means being in the middle of wherever the two parties are. When lack of bias should mean being objective and factual, and covering a broad range of stories, not being halfway to insanity.
The best that could be said about the MSM minus FOX, is that they tried to tout Harris as being a corporate democrat / centrist. They thought they were doing her a favor, when actually this is very unpopular with the general population. So thanks for nothing.
So I 'd say on balance it’s a win for the RW in MSM (which FOX is absolutely part of), and then everything else is hands down domination by the right.
And obviously they play dirty (FOX’s lies, Sinclair’s must-run segments, X promoting Trump messages and then bribing the public), so I am under no illusion how difficult it will be to get a foothold back.
Yeah. The “mindless middle” version of centrism is extremely easy for extremists to drag to their side; in the case of the US that means the Right. Not only that, it requires them to lie, distort and censor themselves in favor of the extremists, since the facts aren’t precisely in the middle and one side is factually wrong much, much more often.
As they say, “reality has a liberal bias”, which means that “centrists” need to deny reality to stay centrist.
Agree.
Scary to think what will happen if Elon Musk ends up buying a tv channel like MSNBC (I hope it was just a casual comment/joke from Musk asking about how much MSNBC costs).
I just can’t understand if the guy is joking or serious.
Keeping that aside its equally scary to see Elon’s comment he will fund primaries against so called RINOs.
They aren’t left in the sense that @Der_Trihs is left, but they are left in what they choose to show and how they present stories. They treat progressive laws and victories as good things, and conservative ones as bad. They use the progressive framing I described above when talking about policies and events, not the conservative one. They are largely run and staffed by well educated but comparatively underpaid people, who overwhelmingly trend progressive, and this shows in their reporting - and the more that traditional media is undermined by social media, the worse it gets.
Yeah, this is the wrong thread to debate details of trans policy. But I’d love to read some other examples of what you believe to be excessive wokeness.
No, they bend over backwards to soft-pedal how bad the Right is. The only reason they don’t outright use “conservative framing” in their reporting is because they’d lose market share if they constantly screamed how they want to punish their audience. Conservatism is an endless scream of rage and hatred.
Dude. Why don’t you read some conservative thinkers, or at least Wikipedia, so you can understand what it’s supposed to be about? This is “They hate our freedoms” tier analysis.
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good. … Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism.
That’s not true.
They tend to criticize the right, and MAGA, and somewhat push corporate democrat points. This is balanced by them also inviting on MAGA spokespeople whose mission is just to “flood the zone”, as it were.
Meanwhile support for progressives? Since when?
I listed a few examples of where CNN and MSNBC have explicitly criticized progressives (or at least alluded to some, I can elaborate if you want the specifics), so where’s the examples of them pushing the progressive agenda? Mehdi before he got fired?
Umm, yeah. So we don’t end up in places like this, Poster A: It’s impossible to talk about history in general, because people always want examples, and then only want to argue about the examples and not the larger subject. Poster B: I concur! Written by the victor, narrow selection of sources, all that. Poster A: Yes, the Holocaust was a psy-op hoax! Poster B: Wait a fucking minute…
This is very much the case. Humans like to sort and categorize to make sense of things, but nature doesn’t comply with humans’ categories. There are a lot of places where lines don’t actually exist, though the patterns mostly clump in ways for us to feel like we’ve found the lines.
At the risk of having to surrender my woke card, I would say based solely on the information provided, I wouldn’t judge either as a better person. Both are making the effort to respect other people. Neither is ill- intentioned. Beliefs are internal.
People are responding to a question that seems intended to elicit an answer to be used to attack them. In this case, judging who a “better person” is.
That’s because this is the hot button “woke” issue in the political sphere right now. Seriously, what other “woke” issue was used in political ads for the election, not just president, but down ballot state races?
The only one close was the destruction and killing in Gaza, and trying to balance the horror of the Oct 7 attacks against the horror of widespread killing of children. Questioning the Israeli methods is seen as antisemitism and support for Hamas and terrorism. Supporting Israel’s right to protect themselves is seen as justifying genocide. There’s a middle ground there that is being ignored by both ends.
Yeah I think it’s pretty essential to find examples of being too woke, given the OP.
In fairness the OP did include some examples, although I think they were largely hypothetical, and then summed up with the (in my view, false) claim that it is why the election was lost.
Caricatures and lies about woke were a factor in the election, maybe third after inflation and immigration, but most people cannot name actual woke policies that exist on Earth 1.0
Defining ‘Woke’ is tricky, but that doesn’t mean discussion of the concept is impossible, or even difficult. Hell, the progressive left never came up with anything close to a cohesive definition of ‘alt-right’, but that didn’t stop progressives the length and breadth of the country from flinging the label around like confetti when it was en vogue circa 2016.
Still, since you’ve asked, how about this?
Woke: A pathological over-sensitivity to any insult (real or imagined, deliberate or accidental) to identity-based human dignity, resulting in tremendously over-exaggerated perceptions of harm, an eagerness to identify and ostracise offenders, and intellectual inflexibility.
I’m not claiming that this definition is perfect, but I think it touches on many (although probably not all) of the things that people who don’t like wokeness have a problem with.