No, cutting off your family members because they voted for Trump is not useless “woke” because you can cut off family members for being assholes, and maybe this was just the last straw. Telling other people to cut off family members who voted for Trump is useless woke because all you’re doing is virtue signaling.
It’s the virtue-signaling that I’m talking about.
Oh, well aware. But Republicans have had decades to come up with something. It’s always crickets.
Ok, but don’t call it “woke.”
Can I call it “useless woke”? Because it is a thing, and it pisses me off.
You are definitely going to have give us your definition of “woke”, then.
Is there a reason you have to insert the word “woke” where it doesn’t belong?
I think he pretty much did in the OP. Try reading it again.
“Those who make reform impossible make revolution inevitable.” But the thing is: the Right prefers to stomp on revolution rather than work compromise with reform.
For historical antecedent, I doubt that the Decembrist, Russian gentlemen following the Enlightenment brought there by Catherine the Great, would have anything but contempt for the bloodthirsty crackpots who were killing Czars fifty years after they themselves were stamped out.
And if the US government hadn’t launched COINTELPRO, and had protected MLK in the 60s, today alienated, ignorant and overwrought young people wouldn’t be proclaiming that white allyship is bullshit today. Damn white people, inserting themselves into Black spaces (or, in the case of Chaney Goodman and Schwerner,, inserting themselves into an actual dam.
This “woke” thing isn’t Leftism, and it never was. It’s what happens when people of good faith are a little annoyed or outright offended by something someone they usually agree with says, and then allows someone who both parties disagree with to use it as a wedge.
Rather than an abandonment of convictions, some healthy skepticism is what the Left needs now. Evergreen College 2015: a new president wants to break up the collective bargaining and administration power of the faculty. Sounds like a traditional RW motivation. But he uses “leftist” ploys to do it: demanding anti-racist self-denunciation from the faculty, siccing a mob of self-righteous kids on them, etc. And you better believe the RW dined out on that for years. Because blind ideology always plays into the hands of naked opportunism.
I read it…then he used it to mean other things.
All in the Family was originally broadcast with a content warning in the woke days of the 1970s
So give us your definition of woke then?
Honestly that is one of the problems, many different versions of what people think “woke” means.
Because Procrustus, whom I was responding to, used the quotation marks.
And you are framing this as a gotcha question? How useless woke of you.
Why? How often do you directly encounter it in your life (as opposed to reading ragebait articles about it)? When was the last time someone in a face-to-face setting engaged in “useless woke” behavior around you, and why did it get to you so badly?
I don’t think it really means anything anymore, other than “I don’t like it, and that makes it woke.”
I am framing this as a question as to what your definition of the word actually is considering how you have used it in this thread…and looking at the second sentence I see that it means whatever you want it to mean.
To conservatives, woke originally meant a white person pretending to care about black/brown people issues. They know the intent isn’t genuine because they can’t comprehend people caring about issues that don’t directly effect them.
Now, it’s generally a grab bag meaning social behaviors that make me think about uncomfortable topics or stuff I find icky.
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I guess I find it extra irritating lately because a friend of mine advocated voting third party because of the mess in Gaza.
“Wokeness” didnt cause the high inflation during the early Biden years, so no, it didnt “lose us the election”.
Right.
Exactlly.
But of course- anything can be taken too far. Refusing to watch classic westerns as real Native Americans werent cast in all those parts? Too far. Refusing to watch “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” due to Mickey Rooney’s part- too far- Laughing at and making fun of Mickey Rooney’s part- perfectly Okay.
Right. Twain was a genius and an anti-racist.
Right on all counts. Wilson also dragged up into a war we had no business being in. Teddy was a great president.
That is very irritating. But I wouldn’t call it woke.
One reason wokeness is going to be impossible to find common ground on is that, like the term “political correctness,” the right takes it to mean the most outlandish behavior of a few leftist radicals, while the left takes it to mean common courtesy and anti-racism.
So when the right opposes wokeness, the left thinks, “So you oppose common decency?” and when the left supports wokeness, the right thinks, “So you think LatinX is how Hispanic people should be referred to, even if Hispanics don’t want it?”