Is marijuana addictive?

For a very long time now, I’ve heard only that marijuana was completely non-addictive.

Then I saw this:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/Marijparentstxt.html#Addict

Admittedly, the above webpage is a pamphlet for parents warning them about the evils of marijuana, so it’s going to be just a tad biased. However, if some of the things it’s saying are true, it’s cause for concern. F’rinstance, the article claims that:[ul][li]Some of the people who check themselves into drug treatment programs list marijuana as their primary drug of abuse, meaning that they’re seeking help to stop using marijuana.[/li][li]Some marijuana users show withdrawal symptoms when they stop using marijuana.[/li][li]Troubled teens that have tried alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana tend to progress to regular marijuana use as quickly as they progress to regular tobacco use.[/ul][/li]The article has a couple of footnotes to back up these claims, both of which cite reports with impressive-sounding titles.

So … is there anything to this? Is marijuana more addictive than its proponents are willing to admit?

short answer: yes.

But ANYTHING can be addictive if you apply the criteria used in your example. One can exhibit withdrawal symptoms from being apart from a lover, or losing their internet connection. And both companionship and internet use can be addictive.

Modern physiology regards all addictions as both mental and physical. Habits which stimulate only the psychological aspects of a person can eventually change their physical brain chemistry - this is why antidepressants like Prozac work.

So when someone claims that marijuana is not “physically addictive”, they are exposing their ignorance of modern science. But no drug should be prohibited merely because it possesses addictive potential - the onus is on the irresponsible user, not the chemical. This is why I despise any arguments to keep weed (and every other illicit drug) illegal - because essentially, IT SHOULD NOT MATTER WHETHER IT IS ADDICTIVE OR A “GATEWAY DRUG”! No state organization should decide such matters, all it should do is educate of possible dangers and let the citizen decide … Sorry for the tangential rant.
Anyway, the clear difference between physically addictive and non-physically addictive drugs (in the traditional sense) is metabolism. A physically addictive chemical (ie, narcotics) can change your body chemistry to the degree that it can no longer function without it. Your body is born to require oxygen, water, and food. But once it adapts to an addictive chemical, you add another requirement to the equation, and without it, you suffer (or even die, in the case of alcohol). That is my personal way to differentiate between an addictive and non-addictive drug.

If we apply the paragraph above to marijuana, we see that it fails the physical addictiveness test. So do stimulants like crystal meth and cocaine, as well as hallucinogens like LSD, ecstacy, and PCP.

What IS addictive by this standard? All narcotics (morphine, Vicodin, Percocet, heroin, methadone, etc), barbiturates, benzos (xanax, valium) and alcohol.

This is not to say the drugs in the latter paragraph are essentially more dangerous than the ones in the first, or even more addictive for that matter. Just that they fit the criteria for a physically addictive drug, whereas the others addict mentally.

But as I have stated earlier, mental addictions are now realized to have physical consenquences by changing brain chemistry, which in turn changes physiology in digestive, respiratory, and other systems.

So the long answer: yes AND no. Sorry for being so long winded, hope that helped.

What was the question?

I think it is. I’m an x-smoker but several of my friends smoke pot daily and have for years and when they are out and no one in town has any… let’s just say I notice when that happens!

It was never addictive to me: not physically, or psychologically. I have a greater psychologically need for certain foods and drinks.

John

Me neither.
I had to quit to keep my job and I suffered no withdrawal. I do miss the occasional joint, though. Funny, I still smoke tobacco. :confused:
I pretty much agree with Pantone Swatchbook.
Completely non-addictive? Never heard that.
Peace,
mangeorge

Marijuana is not addictive in the sense that one would suffer from physical withdrawl symptoms when discontinuing use. It is howevevr habit-forming, meaning that a person would suffer psychological withdrawl.
Cite

Hmmm … that article says that marijuana does not cause physical withdrawal symptoms or cause its users to build up a tolerance for it.

However, the article I linked to in the OP says that some heavy marijuana users do get physical withdrawal symptoms when they quit (insomnia, weight loss, shaky hands), and that some heavy marijuana users do develop a tolerance for it.
Darn it, who’s right?!? :mad:

On the issue of Patients in rehab listing Marijuana as their primary drug of choice:
I have been in rehab, and have noticed that many of the people there are not there voluntarily. In many states, attendance in a rehab center can be a condition of a drug-related court sentence. I noticed this a lot among the younger people(teenagers) in rehab. Many of them got caught with pot and got sent to rehab either by the courts or their parents. So while these people would list marijuana as their primary drug, they are not neccesarily marijuana addicts in the traditional sense.

From the UK House of Lords report on Cannabis:

So, as has been said, short answer: yes.

On the other hand, I think it’s telling that it was necessary to block the canniboid receptors to elicit “marked” witdrawal signs. Canniboids stay in the system for a long time (being absorbed by the body’s fat), and even if a heavy user were to stop cold turkey, he would still, theoretically, be “brought down” gently as the drug slowly flushes itself out of the body. At any rate, the aforementioned psychological addiction is almost certainly more of a problem than any physical withdrawal symptoms that may normally arise.

5-HT:

It looks like I may have jumped the gun there in the OP, then, at least as far as the article’s first point went. The article linked to in the OP only discussed people who had entered drug treatment programs, but I turned around and (apparently incorrectly) said that these were people who checked themselves into drug treatment programs.

It didn’t occur to me that these people might have been forced into these drug treatment programs against their will.

An interesting thread with which to mark my sixth anniversary clean and sober.

Though anecdotal evidence doesn’t count for much around these parts, I think my experience is relevant. I was addicted to marijuana for about ten years.

Now, I know it isn’t physically addictive. I quit several times. Never had any physical withdrawal symptoms. But it was still amazingly hard to stop, even though it was destroying my life.

I understand that I’m not most users. Most people can have a joint every now and then, get high on the weekend, and then go back to their lives. I couldn’t. I was high whenever I wasn’t at work. My whole life revolved around it.

Which is what makes it a very difficult drug to quit. It’s easy to develop a whole life around the simple act of smoking; the pre-movie bong session, the wake-and-bake weekends, the joint-rolling ritual all become integrated into your habits, your personality, and of course, your social life.

It’s such a happy drug. It seems so harmless. It just makes you happy, and goofy, and interested, and hungry. But there are some people, like myself, who take that and make it the centerpiece of their lives, and then watch the rest of their lives fall apart around it.

Six years ago today, I was living in a three-hundred-dollar a month shack, unemployed, almost no food left in the house, and with the rent almost three weeks overdue, I was fifty dollars short. My dealer showed up; he had a pound he wanted to sell me for two hundred dollars. I started crying.

I’d spent the evening trying to figure out what I was going to do; I was thinking that maybe I could make up a “will fix computers for food” sign, and make the rest of my rent that way. I didn’t have any friends left; I didn’t want to split my weed with them. I hadn’t talked to my family back on the east coast in ages. I’d been spending all my time online, or watching pirated cable, stoned. I had nothing left except a rented shack, a cheap old computer, a ten-dollar yard-sale TV, and my dog.

I think it was the dog that saved me from being homeless. I couldn’t figure out what to do with him if I didn’t have a place to live.

Later that night, still stoned, still crying occasionally, I logged into an IRC chatroom for an anonymous fellowship, and asked “Does marijuana qualify as a narcotic?”

There were some good people there, and I talked and listened most of the rest of the night. I hit my first meeting the next morning, and flushed about a half an ounce of pot later that day. Gave away my paraphrenalia. I kept finding weed around the house for months, though. When you’re going through a dry spell and want pot, there’s never any around, no matter how you look. If you try and quit, baggies and film canisters with a couple of bowl-fulls seem to leap out of every nook and crevice in your house. I still managed not to smoke.

I found a job a couple of days later, even though I was still pretty spaced. I did ninety meetings in ninety days, and stayed clean. I talked to a lot of people. A lot of them had the same problems, and that helped. I just stayed clean.

Six years later, my life is a lot better place. A beautiful, funny, considerate lover, who’s a better man than I ever thought I deserved. Good friends, all clean; I found that I couldn’t be around people who smoked anymore. My dog now has a rambunctious playmate. Our house is nicer, homier than I ever thought I’d live in. And I have a career, oddly enough, that I enjoy and that I’m good at.

I’m not saying marijuana destroyed my life. I did that, pot just made it possible. And I agree that there are no physical symptoms associated with withdrawal, though extreme irritation seems pretty universal for a few weeks after quitting.

But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t a lot of people out there struggling with the mess they’ve made of their lives with pot. And for a lot of them, the only way to get out, to see any hope, is to quit. And it’s as tough to quit as any other addiction.

The clinical definition of an addictive substance involves physical withdrawal symptoms. The practical definition has more to do with the utter hopelessness that comes from knowing that you’ve given up control of your life to something that you can’t control. And there are people who are addicted to marijuana, physical symptoms or not.

I just wanted to throw in a Congratulations to you for that :slight_smile:

I don’t think that anyone is disputing that. After all you can probably find similar stories to yours only about Everquest. I don’t think anyone is going to claim that it is physically addictive, but it definately has ruined lives and support groups have spawned over it.

Which is why I wanted to bring it up. When I was trying to cope with the mess my life had become, one of the biggest hurdles I had to deal with was the idea that pot wasn’t addictive. It’s such a given, it’s so ingrained into marijuana lore, that it makes the realization that you are addicted very difficult to arrive at.

There seems to be a hierarchy of addictions that some people subscribe to; heroin addiction is tough, cocaine is tough, alcohol is tough, nicotine is tough, but pot is… well, it’s not addictive. When you’re looking at the ruins you life has become, when you’re wondering how the hell you’re going to live without something that you’ve integrated into your personality for decades, when you’re craving a high like nothing else you’ve ever wanted in your life before, you’re an addict. And there are people who can help.

That’s all I wanted to say, really.

Personally, I think pot affects different people in different ways. I’ve seen some friend’s of mine become so dependant on pot that they literally are smoking it all day long, but they only really get “high” (since they’re so used to being high all the time) when they smoke enough pot that would knock a more conservative smoker out.

However, most of the people I know who smoke pot don’t care if they’re sober or high. They don’t stress out if they can’t find any pot. They don’t get desparate. They kick back sober instead of high. It’s no big deal to them.

So, in other words, I think it all depends on the person smoking it.

It’s probably not that they’re high all the time; they’ve just built up a tolerance. Smoking two bowls might get you high for 6 hours if you only do it once a week, but if you do it every day, you might be only half as high and only for two hours.

Got a cite for that?:smiley: :wink:

hook me up

If you feel that you need to smoke pot every day, several times a day, ask yourself this:
What is it in your life that you just can’t cope sober?

sometimes clarity can be an awesome thing.

Maybe it’s not so much an addiction as it is an excuse to hide

Am I the only one offended by the implication that drug users are trying to escape from a reality they can’t cope with?

People engage in lots of activities to deal with stress, from drinking to meditating to driving sports cars. Now, if you’re spending 12 hours a day opening up your Porsche’s throttle on winding back roads, it’s reasonable for an observer to think you’re trying to distract yourself from something else, but for drugs, the mechanism of addiction explains it pretty well.