If this has been done sorry, I just couldn’t hold it in any longer. Everything here is MY opinions entirely
I just got done reading through this post and it’s associated chat transcripts and I can’t help but be angrier than I’ve ever been in my LIFE! Not only am I mad at the idiots who sat there watching and persuading this man to take more, but I’m also mad at the guy for even doing drugs period. WHYYYY?!!! I mean absolutely no offense to Malkvia or anyone who had lost a loved one to drugs, but ANYONE who does drugs (I don’t mean aspirin or something like that so don’t joke because I am being very serious) has got to be idiotic. I can’t believe people who fall into “peer pressure” or just want to experiment with drugs and then end up addicted. You know it’s not good for your body
in any way. WHY some even have the nerve to over use it is beyond me! HAVE SOME SELF CONTROL, PEOPLE!! You can’t be that stupid, can you?! That’s like jumping off a fucking bridge, knowing full well that you’ll die, but doing it anyway.
Oh and lets not get to these asswipes who sat around and watched this fellow die. THEY’RE ALL IDIOTS. It’s bad enough he was doing drugs in the first place, but by that point he taken so much was completely out of it. But then why would anyone be ignorant and encourage him to take MORE?! ANNNNND sit around and debate about if they should, and if so, who should call the authorities??? THAT’S SO FUCKING SICK! They had plenty of opportunities to help but didn’t. Geez! No doubt they are probably drug users themselves so who knows if what happened will even phase them. WTH?! These people disgust me.
I know it’s hard for people who are addicted to stop, but it had to
start somewhere. The day you picked up that joint or that needle or whatever, you became an absolute idiot in my eyes.
I agree with the sentiment of your post, and I personally was sickened by the whole thing, but you should know that there is a world of difference between smoking a joint and shooting heroin into your arm.
Once people are seriously addicted to a drug, there lives start going downhill. Getting off drugs can be very very hard. Sometimes the only way to quit is after you’ve lost your job and all your money, and are without friends. This kickstarts some people’s lives and can be a wake up call.
I agree with your post in general, though. Don’t think I’m flaming you, I think it’s this is a good thread - it’s better to talk about these things than keep them secret.
Well I’m afraid to click on that link seeing as I’m very against drug use and don’t want to becom enraged tonight, as you have from what I’ve read, but understand that people also don’t listen. And i agree, sometimes it takes losing your job or something to make it stop, but the people who start all that shit in the first place, don’t think about self control because in a lot of cases it’s their last resort… Last resort to find an escape, to be accepted, to cry for help, to find some happiness in their lives, and sadly sometimes, it’s their last resort to death. I know a girl whose sister died of a drug overdose and now she does drugs, after winning a scholarship for her participation in drug awareness and for being known for being so against it for years. I don’t know why she does it, but obviously she disagrees with it, so this must be some sort of cry for help. It’s sad really, but I mean, there’s only so much you can do.
I was really angry about people who do drugs for a long time, and odn’t get me wrong it still angers me… But I realized that it was consuming me after a while, when I foudn out many of my friends did stuff. SO I had to separate myself from them, and really, that’s all you can do, is separate yourselves from these people. I don’t know what to tell you about the link, because I’veyet to read it, but just know that this girl doesn’t do drugs and never will, and that there’s still hope out there. I hope you cool off from all of this.
But be proud of your strength. Not many people have it.
Wow Ok, just read that… figured I would, since it was there…
My jaw is dropped to the ground. That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever read in my life, and there are some sick people out there, who can just sit there and watch something like that. It’s a lesson to us all I suppose. Hopefully anyone who reads this site, and has every considered doing drugs or does them currently, will read that, and realize how horrible it is and not do it, or stop doing it. It’s really a shame.
Give me a break, anybody who’s ever done any kind of drug is a moron? Does that count alcohol? Tobacco? Mary Jane? How about prescription drugs? Most Americans are into some kind of drug, but most of us can handle our shit. Don’t slander all the responsible, productive potheads out there because of one depressed kid. That guy wasn’t suicidal because he was on drugs, he was on drugs because he was suicidal. Jiminy Christmas, this whole thread reads like one of those stupid anti-drug commercials.
I’m pretty sure that being “responsible, productive” requires getting up in the morning once and awhile, and being ready to do possibly complex things once awake. That rules out potheads. Marijuana ain’t addictive, it isn’t harmful or dangerous, but it sure as heck makes people lazy.
you have not lived everyone’s life. you don’t know what leads them to the actions they take. maybe their xx hour long high is the only escape/joy/relief they have found so far.
one person turns to drugs… another to religion… another to food…another to an eating disorder…another to booze
I realize you are free to express your views and I am free to express mine. I happen to think yours are ignorant, inexperienced, biased, and bordering on hateful. Do you really think this kid just “fell into peer pressure” or that he was just a complete idiot? Let me tell you it’s not that simple. I don’t like drugs either and I don’t use them but it’s a far stretch to call everyone that uses drugs a mindless idiot.
Also, if that chat transcript really is the worst thing you’ve ever encountered in your life then consider yourself extremely fucking lucky. I truly envy you. If not then quit being such a drama queen and think about what you’re saying.
General comment about that incident:
When I read the chat log, I got a different impression than most people did apparently. From the comments people keep making, I expected to see people totally ignoring the problem, but it seemed to me that the people on the chat channel were upset and worried about the guy. At first it seemed like they weren’t sure if “ripper” was serious, which probably explains a lot of the crass joking. I mean, come on, teen boys (which I suspect most of these people on a drug channel are) are not known for being sentimental or openly emotional.
It seems like the main problem is that when they tried to get help, they didn’t know his real last name or address to tell the police. Take this situation as a warning to make sure you know enough about your friends in Chat to be able to alert the right authorities if they ever put themselves in danger like this.
Am I the only one who read the parts of the log where people asked ripper to call the police or try to throw up the pills? It also looked like one guy actually did call Poison Control and the police, but was told they couldn’t track the guy down with just his cell phone no. At least, I think I saw that…not sure since my impression seems so totally different than everyone else’s.
The sad thing to me is that it seems like the young man didn’t even really want to die. At first he said something like, “It’s safe. I know what I’m doing”.
IMO, this is not really about drug users being dumb (although I do agree that drug use is not a good idea). It’s more about how boys in their teens/young 20-somethings can be very impulsive and end up killing themselves accidentally with a poorly thought out action.
I assure you, plenty of potheads get up in the morning, go to work and perform complex tasks. I used to be highly functional when I smoked pot (I quit several years ago). Don’t be so quick to stereotype.
I agree spathiphyllum. That smoke2k guy called him a pussy a couple of times but promptly followed with “Just kidding, don’t really do it.”
I kept seeing “ripper call the cops”
“ripper throw up man”
“ripper don’t take anymore shit man”
“ripper dont fucking die man :(”
“someone call the cops”
“someone call poison control”
“ripper call the hospital!!”
I mean, what else did you expect these kids to do? It’s not like they were sitting in his bedroom with him laughing at them. I thought that they did a pretty decent job considering that for all they knew he could just be pulling a prank. The only really fucked up thing was when smoke2k was pretty sure ripper was unconsious so he signed off. Most of these guys probably stumbled into to the room and had never even heard of ripper before, and I garuntee you people lie about much drugs they’ve taken in drug chats all the time. What else did you expect them to do?
What a fucking bullshit statement that is. I’m no pot smoker myself (always made me paranoid) but I know a lot of people who not only smoke pot on a regular basis, but work very hard, go to school, pay taxes, raise children, and contribute their 2 cents to society just like everyone else. Your idiotic generalization is comparable to saying that anyone who drinks alcohol is a drunken driver and a wife beater.
first of all i want to say that i can see why this kid’s death upset you, i havent read those logs but its terrible that there was someone encouraging his actions. its really messed up what happened to this man, but can you blame drugs? i dont think so, from the sound of it he was taking drugs because of his state of mind. fair enough this can become a vicious circle where the drugs further contribute to a person’s deterioration, but legal drugs such as alcohol and valium can have exactly the same effect. also i must say that comparing intravenous heroin use with smoking a spliff is just ridiculous, though you could argue cannabis can be mildly psychologically addictive, it is probably one of the safest ‘drugs’ in existance. im sure you are aware that asprin is far more risky and that a significant amount of people die every year from allergic reactions to the drug, while cannabis has never killed anyone in thousands of years of human usage. does it make people lazy? you might as well argue that TV makes people lazy, or that cars make people lazy, or that having running water makes people lazy, or that alcohol makes people lazy - its a dead argument. as for heroin, pure heroin (diamorphine) is an extremely useful and valuable drug - there is no better painkiller. it is the fact that it is illegal that makes it dangerous - people dont know the purity of the dose and what it has been cut with, dont always have access to sterile needles and information on using them properly, and it is this that leads to so many users dying unneccessarily. its easy to demonise anyone that uses drugs - dont forget that we all use drugs on a daily basis, they are a part of human culture and always have been. the line drawn between legal and illegal drugs shouldnt be seen as a moral one, america’s ‘war on drugs’ causes vastly more harm than good in the long run.
Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see the stuff legalized even though I don’t smoke it, but it’s more than “mildly psychologically addictive.” I’ve seen people have complete personality 180s and go into fits of rage when they go more than a couple of hours with a toke. I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, pot IS addictive. I’ve seen it on more than one occasion.
Secondly, using the same logic that says marijuana has never killed anybody, you could say cigarettes never killed anybody. I mean after all, they die of lung cancer, not “cigarettes”, right?
I don’t want to demonize the stuff but saying things like this in favor of pot is no more productive than spreading lies against it.
The age old fight about pot. When it comes right down to it, it’s only common sense to realize that anything foreign of the drug nature put in the body is not good. Be it drugs of prescription nature or illegal drugs. If this were not true there would be no side effects because the body would readily accept whatever is taken instead of having the side effects, etc. In cases, the meds are totally necessary to substain a ‘normal’ life, such as with depression and such. I am diabetic and thus have to take oral meds to control blood sugar, and yes, there are side effects to that but in order to control one thing I have to weigh out if it’s worth it to suffer another way. We all make our choices in life and with choices there are always consequences. It’s your choice to make.
This is a sad story about a young man that somewhere along the way lost his sense of life. Maybe it could have been prevented, maybe not. Some people are on a self-destructive path and no matter what sooner or later they make their choice.