So’m I, I’ve heard ‘Half-caste’ used a grand total of once, (at least by anyone under the age of 80), by a friend known as ‘Inappropriate Phil’, describing one of his friends, and the response from everyone else was pretty well :eek:
Oriental is however in common use, especially as a part of the name of Chinese owned shops- the Chinese supermarket/restaurant complex near me is named ‘Oriental City’ for example. It’s not generally seen as a derogatory term in the UK.
Are you denying that these Muslim paedophile rape gangs exist? You don’t need to go to a compilation such as Kaffir Crusaders.
Hitler was certainly a racist, just as Islam is a racist cult. Just have a look at what the Koran says about Jews.
I’m perfectly calm.
I didn’t insult him/her. I insulted the non-answer and rubbish in that post.
Cite for Islam being a racist cult? I’m not Islam’s biggest fan but isn’t one of its core beliefs the that all the ulema is one family, equally loved by God. The Jews were hated for rejecting Mohammed and not for their ethnicity.
You can probably find racists who profess to be Muslim but that isn’t the same.
Actually hatred of Jews among Muslims really started in the 20th Century and had nothing to do with theology but has to do with the advent of Zionism and the humiliation suffered from getting beaten by people they’d seen as inferior(not completely unlike the way many Americans were affected by the Vietnam War, where the American army, which had never lost a war, lost to a peasant army).
That’s not to say that Jews and Christians in the Islamic World’s medieval era didn’t face discrimination, but I don’t think the attitudes their could be described as hatred.
Muhammad insisted that Christians and Jews were not “unbelievers” but “people of the book” who because they believed in the God of Abraham were entitled to protection, recognition, and respect. As a result, unlike Jews(or even worse Muslims) in medieval Europe they had a legally recognized rank in society, though a low rank.
Which wiki cites listed above are rants? If you’re not going to refute the cites given then doesn’t your blind condemnation make you a racist?
I’m sorry but this comment is moronic.
I’m classifying her as a racist because she’s made racist comments.
When asked to produce a cite, her response was a google map from the violently racist site Kaffir Crusaders.
So yes, she’s a racist just as people who scream about the US being plagued by black rape gangs are also racist.
Now, I’ll assume you’re intellectually consistent and feel that it’s wrong to condemn paranoid whites who rant about gangs of blacks going after white women, but most of us don’t.
As for your last statement suggesting that I’m a racist for properly classifying her as a racist, well, all that shows is that you really don’t understand the meaning of the word.
Beyond that, someone who’s argued strenuously for racial profiling, particularly based on the flimsy evidence you did really has no business whining about racists being called racists or accusing others of being racists.
He or she made a 2nd post (71) listing wiki cites relating back to the first post. Are they in error?
I would think there was a bit of animosity between the two groups going back to 632 after the enslavement of women and children by Mohammed (battle of Banu Qurayza). So there is an historic connection of child enslavement that goes back directly to the progenitor of Islam.
We were not at war with Vietnam in the conventional sense. If Vietnam attacked the United States they would be a footnote in history. We did participate in a civil war (backing one side) and withdrew because of a lack of public support. I suppose we could have annihilated the whole country but what would be the point? If we thought them inferior then the outcome would have been ugly indeed.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/350587
“Police in UK investigating 54 paedophile grooming gangs”
“Grooming gangs in Rotherham, Derby, Bradford, Blackpool, Telford, and Oxford are just the tip of the iceberg it transpires.”
“Establishment perverts and Asian/Muslim grooming gangs have both slipped under the spotlight due to the establishment closing ranks and a culture of political correctness.”
“2,409 children and young people had been confirmed as victims of sexual exploitation by gangs or groups between August 2010 and October 2011.”
–
“The Oxford ‘Asian grooming gang’ were not in fact all Asian. But they were all Muslim: is this a problem we are afraid to face?”
–
Google “muslim grooming gangs” and you will find countless reports and articles.
Hurling the epithet “racist” against other posters will stop, now.
It is just inflammatory name-calling that does not promote the discussion.
[ /Moderating ]
Well, I did that. I was well into the fourth or fifth page of the Google returns before I finally started seeing more than the same two or three stories repeated on sites that were clearly dedicated to slamming either immigrants or Muslims. That is not evidence of a widespread problem (aside from the prevalence of xenophobic news outlets in Britain).
I did finally find an article in The Independent that discusses the issue a bit more dispassionately:
Part 1: 10 MAY 2012 Child sex grooming: the Asian question
Part 2: 11 MAY 2012 Asian grooming: why we need to talk about sex
+++Pakistani community must tackle grooming gangs, justice minister insists+++
+++Just days after seven Asian men were convicted of carrying out crimes of “medieval” depravity against girls as young as 11, in Oxford, Mr Green said it was time to dismiss any vestiges of political correctness around the issue.+++
+++The Oxford scandal was the fifth such case since 2010 with gangs of Pakistani men being convicted of similar grooming outrages in Rochdale, Derby, Rotherham and Shropshire.+++
–
+++Oxford grooming gang: We will regret ignoring Asian thugs who target white girls+++
+++Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby, Oxford. The towns change, but the pattern is always the same. Gangs of men, mainly of Pakistani Muslim heritage, lure white girls as young as 10 with gifts and displays of affection. Next, the girl is raped as a way of “breaking her in”. Once the child’s spirit is subdued, and her mind fogged with drugs, she is sold for sex to multiple men at £200 a time. If the girl tries to break away, a gang member might threaten to behead her or firebomb her home. Mohammed Karrar, who was found guilty in the Oxford sex-grooming case this week, took a scalding hairpin and branded one girl so she would know she was his property. Later, the gang gave the same girl a DIY abortion. She was 12 years old. And this, all this, is happening in Britain now.+++
+++Back in January, there was a profoundly disturbing case at Nottingham Crown Court. Adil Rashid, who had “raped” an underage girl, was spared a prison term after the judge heard that the naïve 18-year-old attended an Islamic faith school where he was taught that women are worthless. Rashid told psychologists he had no idea that having sex with a willing 13-year-old was against the law; besides, his education had taught him to believe that “women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground”.+++
–
That last paragraph I quoted, from the Telegraph article, gets to the heart of the issue. Muslims do this because of the attitude towards women in Islam. This was also highlighted by a Channel 4 Dispatches documentary on the subject, which interviewed a number of Muslims for their reactions. A number of them said that the young white girls (and remember we’re talking about girls as young as 10 here) shouldn’t have been wearing such revealing clothes, and so on.
Of his 17 known wives, Muhammad’s favourite, Aisha, was 6 when he married her and 9 when he had sex with her. Taking Muhammad as the perfect example of a human being, Muslim societies today still think it’s ok to marry children off to middle aged men (Muhammad was in his mid-50s when he married Aisha). This is why it won’t do as a defence to say that child marriage was common in Arabia in those days. It may well have been, but because Islam is set in stone and can’t evolve, it will never be able to be anything other than a barbaric 7th century desert cult, while the rest of us have moved on.
For this reason, it is fundamentally incompatible with modern, liberal Western societies.
Did you happen to find anything from a reputable site that showed that these gangs are raping thousands of underage girls?
+++Lord Taylor said 2,409 children and young people had been confirmed as victims of sexual exploitation by gangs or groups between August 2010 and October 2011.+++
Piffle.
As the articles to which I linked demonstrate, there are numerous Muslims (including religious and political leaders) who have condemned the actions of the men in these groups, pointing out that the criminal actions are also condemned in the Qur’an and the Hadiths.
Reviewing all the reports, it seems that a number of the crimes, (ignoring the same crimes committed by whites and Afro-Caribbeans, and others, of course), were committed by few groups from a rather limited ethnic community from a specific region in Asia.
Making up stuff about “Islam” and then blaming the actions of two or three gangs composed of a few dozen men, (out of 2.7 million people), while ignoring the actions of similar gangs who do not happen to be Muslim is nothing but cherry picking data to get to a predetermined result.
I suggest you read the Telegraph article for a refutation of the “others are doing it too” argument. Muslims are massively over-represented, especially when taking their relative population into account.
Furthermore, I made up nothing at all about Islam. Islam’s treatmeant of women is notorious the world over. And the Islamic school that taught that rapist that women were worth no more than lollipops fallen on the ground is a real place.
Until the EDL starts lynching people, comparing them to the KKK is somewhat ridiculous.
I suggest that you read The Independent article that mentioned white British gangs in Devon as well as Afro-Caribbean gangs in Bath and Bristol, with references to a general mish-mash of all sorts of ethnicities and religious backgrounds in London.
As to “Muslims” being massively over-represented, it would seem that it is actually a fairly small group of Pakistanis–most of them from near the Kashmir–who have picked up a few Afghan or other buddies. There was no mention of Iraqis, Iranians, Egyptians, Lebanese, Indians, Malaysians, etc. even the Afghans who were mentioned tended to be solitary buddies of the Pakistani/Kashmiris, not starting their own gangs. By your standards, we should note that serial killers are clearly a white Christian phenomenon.
“Islam’s treatment of women” is mostly an imaginary belief that conflates different cultural practices, (always choosing only the bad ones, of course), from a wide variety of cultures where Islam is the predominant religion and them smacks a “Muslim” label on them. There are, indeed, several predominantly Muslim societies where attitudes and behaviors toward women are horrible. However, there are Muslim societies where that is not the case, (and Christian and Hindu and Buddhist societies where women are also abused).