I’m sorry, how many people were killed? Zero? Was there a Fatwa made against anybody? No. Did someone half way round the world go crazy over it? No. Did the government intervene. Yes.
I think it’s odd you would choose this as a comparison given how gay people are treated in Muslim countries.
Is there an upper limit on the membership numbers for cults? In any case, even if there is, I said “cult-like”.
Other articles cited, from the BBC and Telegraph for example, mentioned that 55 more gangs are currently being investigated, and that 2,400 children had been confirmed as victims in a 14-month period. You say the average number of members in gangs is 9, as if this somehow makes it less bad.
I do not regard Muslims as belonging to the category of “my people” but this doesn’t mean I believe all Muslims are evil, because there are surely some Muslims who disagree with the teachings of Muhammad. I can criticise an ideology without criticising every individual follower of it, many of whom are better classed as victims rather than perpetrators, such as the women and children of the Muslim world, and many others such as homosexuals, those who are members of different sects, and so many other groups.
If it is “vile” to point out these things, then it is a small price to pay to avoid the dishonour of keeping silent.
No sleight of hand. You claimed that there were actions that one could not take without provoking “chaos.” The reality is that there are places in the world where poverty and other factors make people more liable to riot and religion is one thing that can be used to provoke political disturbances.
There was no spontaneous outrage encompassing the Muslim world when the cartoons were published, the idiotic movie was filmed, or Rushdie published his novel. (And there have been many insulting cartoons of Mohammed over the years that provoked no “chaos.”) Instead, there were specific, deliberate actions taken to provoke riots (that only occurred in places where riots already tend to occur for other reasons).
So basically Muslims are evil except for the majority of Muslims. Got it.
Christianity/Islam, clearly they’re both just religions of hate. You need a nice peaceful religion, like Buddhism!
Is this the only way you can attempt to refute my position, by accusing me of saying things that I never did?
I’m not refuting your points, I’m mocking them. You start from the point of “Islam is evil” and then start naming exclusions, rather than the more sensible approach of identifying those within Islam who are evil and leaving the rest alone. Yours is a ridiculous approach that is riddled with question begging.
Some people here don’t seem to be able to separate the idea of “Islam” and “Muslims”.
To use a tired, but rather convenient, analogy: Most of us can probably agree we would refer to Nazism as a bad thing. Does that mean we have to hate all those in Nazi Germany? No. Does the fact that not all Germans acted according to all the teachings of Nazism mean we should ignore the influence of the ideology while we bring out excuses of economic hardship, weak governments and bullying by the French? No.
You literally attached qualifiers to the events and then hand-waved them away as not relevant when in fact they are relevant.
Showing a muslim as an evildoer is not the same as crossing the religion (as in blasphemic).
Hitler was also an ally of Britons. What’s your point?
No. You cherry picked events, carefully excluding the situations and context. I simply supplied the context that you omitted.
An intersting point. How do we distinguish those within Islam who are evil, and those which aren’t? Given that Muslims, by definition, are followers of Muhammad and the Koran?
You seem to be confusing a race (Britons) with an ideology (Islam). Are you a racist?
I also note, with interest, that the starter of this thread refused to address any of my points as soon as I started posting news articles and reports confirming the Islamic grooming and sexual exploitation of thousands of underage white girls in the UK.
He described the EDL as racist thugs, but in fact, as I have shown, the EDL and others like them have legitimate reasons for very grave concern about the presence of Islam in the UK. At the very least, to dismiss such people as “racist thugs” will no longer serve to address the problem.
Not really. You have demonstrated a certain level of xenophobia with some rather absurd claims about Islam and Muslims, but you have not even come close to demonstrating why anyone has “legitimate” concerns about “the presence of Islam in the UK.”
(And claiming to be concerned to protect “white” girls does nothing to argue that there is not a strong strain of racism running through your text.)
If you don’t regard the reports and articles I posted as grounds for legitimate concern, then I don’t know what will.
Since the overwhelming majority of the victims are white, then this, on top of being organised paedophile gang rape on a massive scale, is also a race crime. Or is it not possible to be racist against whites?
It’s always interesting to note the difference between what people think they’ve demonstrated, and what they’ve actually demonstrated.
The legitimate reports, (as opposed to the ones you initially posted), provide a reason for genuine concern that young men who enter Britain from another culture in which there is stricter sexual behavior required of men and women will see the less strict behavior of young women in Britain as “loose.” Such young men, when unemployed and uneducated regarding the mores of their new country have demonstrated the sad behavior of treating young women as sluts. Nothing in Islam promotes or permits such behavior.
A responsible approach would be for the British social services, police, and immigrant community leaders to work together make sure that the young men are made aware of the local standards, to try to break up the gangs, and to make sure that the police respond adequately when a young woman comes to them with a report that she was molested.
None of those actions require that anyone go about making ignorant and inflammatory comments about Islam.
The victims tend to be white because it tends to be local “white” girls who are out in casual dress, not conforming to the strict standards of behavior expected of the young women from the same immigrant community. This does NOT mean that the victims are “asking for it.” It is simply a recognition that they are more likely to engage in behaviors that are, under the circumstances, risky regarding the young immigrant men. They are not selected because they are white. They are selected because they are available and the immigrant community tends to make their young women unavailable.
Nothing to do with “race,” and, again, nothing to do with Islam.
Beyond that, someone should be looking into why the behavior of “grooming” has jumped out of the specific immigrant communities where it began and spread to other locations involving young men who are not Pakistani/Kashmiri immigrants. Running about making silly, hateful comments about Islam is more likely to provide a false sense of direction to any investigations into and efforts to curb the problem outside the original immigrant communities.
Wrong. The Koran specifically legitimizes sex slavery.And of course Mohammed himself groomed and raped a nine year old girl when he was in his fifties, according to mainstream Islamic belief.
They EDL should have tea and crumpets with Muslims and discuss their similarities. They both follow a rotten, hateful, dangerous ideology, and they both have their apologists who try to portray the ideologies as peaceful and compatible with modernity, and the hangers on naive enough to buy into the re-branding.