[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
So…why are you even here, getting angry about a thread from a message board full of losers, being closed?
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He’s simply following the basic rules of defending yourself on the internet.
Step 1: Cast aspersions on rule-keeper’s decision.
Step 2: Cast aspersions on rule-keeper’s demeanor, personality, and attractiveness (optional).
Step 3: Mention you aren’t actually at all bothered by the decision in the midst of your complaint about the decision.
Step 4: Wait past valid disagreements until stupid disagreement appears; reply only to stupid disagreement.
Step 5: Claim everyone is acting entirely predictably, despite no predictions being mentioned. Bonus points if it is claimed post was a social experiment.
Step 6: If track record is fresh, flounce out. If stale, shut up for a bit, post normally to build up reputation for reasonability, then repeat.
[QUOTE=Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]
Then I guess this Pitting doesn’t exist.
I wonder what you would have done if someone had opened up the same thread substituting “opera singer” with “difficult hotel guest” and “fat” with “gay?”
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Yes, but there is no correlation between a “difficult hotel guest”, and a “gay”, is there?
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing]
I think that putting aside the thread title, it is a CS (or GQ) thread. A lot of the big opera stars are overweight, and, of course, I know when I think of an opera soprano, I think of a three hundred pound Brunhilda with the viking horns. We even have the saying, from opera “It’s not over till the fat lady sings”. And, of course, we don’t see this in a lot of other genres of music (well, maybe the blues/soul)
So it seems like the question of why it’s ok to be fat and be an opera singer, while it’s not so ok in other genres of music or performance (because even if you restrict it to the stage, the fat actor usually isn’t the romantic lead, except in opera), and why there’s that perception that opera singers are “supposed” to be fat, is a legitimate question.
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I agree. Inflammatory thread title, but the question is legitimate. I would have liked to see where the discussion went.
[QUOTE=Valteron]
I have learned not to let the self-righteous “disciplinary measures” of the moderators like Skip and Tomndebb bother me. If they banned me, it would probably be a huge favour because then I would no longer waste time on SDMB arguing with a bunch of losers. You see, I have a secret weapon that I suspect most of the moderators and frequent posters on SDMB do not have. It is called a life. Try getting one.
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The irony of this is so thick you can almost reach out and touch it.
For the record, you can stop posting any time you want to.
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th]
I agree. Inflammatory thread title, but the question is legitimate. I would have liked to see where the discussion went.
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I also agree, which is why the thread was originally left open. Unfortunately, the OP couldn’t resist the hijack and the thread was closed. If anyone else wants to start a thread on the same subject (minus the jerkish title and rants about people they consider overweight), please feel free to do so.
[QUOTE=Valteron]
If they banned me, it would probably be a huge favour because then I would no longer waste time on SDMB arguing with a bunch of losers.
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Sounds like everybody wins in that case. Are you sure you want to go down this path? You could just as easily stop being such an asshole.
I mean, you could, hypothetically. I’m just saying.
It’s definitely a valid question, but the phrasing was inflammatory from start to finish. I’m a fat person and I wasn’t offended because I know Valteron is a tool (and he backed that up with the wording of his post). But anyone could have asked the question in a much better way.
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Good Subject:** Opera singers and obesity? Good Post: Why are opera singers usually obese, or at least bigger folks? Does their size make a difference in how they sound?
Here’s some other examples… Bad Subject: Fags at the hair salon Bad Post: Why are all of the guys who cut hair flaming homos? Every time I go to get my hair cut at the place my wife goes, I make sure I don’t get one of the faggy guys. I don’t want them touching me all over!
Good Subject: Why are male hairdressers gay? Good Post: At the place where my wife gets her hair cut, there’s a couple of hairdressers who are guys and they’re obviously gay. Why are gay guys more interested in cutting hair than straight guys (at least at a hair salon - not the barber shop)?
Bad Subject: Retards on the short bus Bad Post: Why do all of the retards go on the short bus? There’s a bus that drives by my house every day, full of retards. They’re always making googly eyes out the windows and drooling on themselves. What’s up with that? Can’t they ride the regular kids’ bus?
Good Subject: Why do schools pick up the disabled kids in short busses? Good Post: Every day after my kid gets on the bus, another bus comes around the neighborhood shortly thereafter that is shorter and full of what seems to be disabled students (it has a wheelchair lift). Is there a reason why the longer busses can’t be equipped with wheelchair lifts? What is the correlation between “retarded” and “short bus”?
There’s completely innocuous ways to ask questions, and then there’s just being a jerk.
It sucks when you get piled on by fat people, because, you know, they are heavy and stuff.
But, seriously now, while I agree that sometimes The Fatty Brigade can derail otherwise legitimate topics, I didn’t see any undeserved ire in that thread. The question was answered quite well and Valteron wouldn’t stop with his agenda.
I’m waiting for the day I see the Pit thread: “Is it OK to insult fat people if they have brought their problem upon themselves?”
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold]
He’s simply following the basic rules of defending yourself on the internet.
Step 1: Cast aspersions on rule-keeper’s decision.
Step 2: Cast aspersions on rule-keeper’s demeanor, personality, and attractiveness (optional).
Step 3: Mention you aren’t actually at all bothered by the decision in the midst of your complaint about the decision.
Step 4: Wait past valid disagreements until stupid disagreement appears; reply only to stupid disagreement.
Step 5: Claim everyone is acting entirely predictably, despite no predictions being mentioned. Bonus points if it is claimed post was a social experiment.
Step 6: If track record is fresh, flounce out. If stale, shut up for a bit, post normally to build up reputation for reasonability, then repeat.
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Where does Opal fit in that list?
Also, the part with outrageous comparisons to Hitler (or religionists or smokers or cat lovers) is missing.
[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
I also agree, which is why the thread was originally left open. Unfortunately, the OP couldn’t resist the hijack and the thread was closed. If anyone else wants to start a thread on the same subject (minus the jerkish title and rants about people they consider overweight), please feel free to do so.
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I have started a new thread on the topic, with the hopefully less inflamatory title “Fat Opera Singers”.
[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
I also agree, which is why the thread was originally left open. Unfortunately, the OP couldn’t resist the hijack and the thread was closed. If anyone else wants to start a thread on the same subject (minus the jerkish title and rants about people they consider overweight), please feel free to do so.
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Thanks, Frank, for posting a link to the original thread. I have to agree, the subject (which I would assume has really to do with the mechanics of operatic singing) is not beyond discussion, but that getting into the topic of “fat people” is both offensive and doesn’t really contribute to a reasoned discussion of operatic singing. I guess, in terms of this thread, I have nothing else to add…
[QUOTE=jayjay]
Hell, I’d thought he’d already been banned. I was surprised as hell when he posted the opera singer thread…he’d been pretty quiet for a while. Was it incarceration, hospitalization or not being able to pay for your internet connection, Valteron?
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Hey, as long as I’m here, I just wanted to jump in (clear the decks… tidal wave alert!) and say I was originally thinking the same thing, then decided it had to have been someone else.
Valteron was definitely never banned. And, uh, if you really thought he’d been banned and come back somehow, the thing to do is probably ask one of the mods.
