He’s simply following the basic rules of defending yourself on the internet.
Step 1: Cast aspersions on rule-keeper’s decision.
Step 2: Cast aspersions on rule-keeper’s demeanor, personality, and attractiveness (optional).
Step 3: Mention you aren’t actually at all bothered by the decision in the midst of your complaint about the decision.
Step 4: Wait past valid disagreements until stupid disagreement appears; reply only to stupid disagreement.
Step 5: Claim everyone is acting entirely predictably, despite no predictions being mentioned. Bonus points if it is claimed post was a social experiment.
Step 6: If track record is fresh, flounce out. If stale, shut up for a bit, post normally to build up reputation for reasonability, then repeat.
I also agree, which is why the thread was originally left open. Unfortunately, the OP couldn’t resist the hijack and the thread was closed. If anyone else wants to start a thread on the same subject (minus the jerkish title and rants about people they consider overweight), please feel free to do so.
It’s definitely a valid question, but the phrasing was inflammatory from start to finish. I’m a fat person and I wasn’t offended because I know Valteron is a tool (and he backed that up with the wording of his post). But anyone could have asked the question in a much better way.
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Good Subject:** Opera singers and obesity? Good Post: Why are opera singers usually obese, or at least bigger folks? Does their size make a difference in how they sound?
Here’s some other examples… Bad Subject: Fags at the hair salon Bad Post: Why are all of the guys who cut hair flaming homos? Every time I go to get my hair cut at the place my wife goes, I make sure I don’t get one of the faggy guys. I don’t want them touching me all over!
Good Subject: Why are male hairdressers gay? Good Post: At the place where my wife gets her hair cut, there’s a couple of hairdressers who are guys and they’re obviously gay. Why are gay guys more interested in cutting hair than straight guys (at least at a hair salon - not the barber shop)?
Bad Subject: Retards on the short bus Bad Post: Why do all of the retards go on the short bus? There’s a bus that drives by my house every day, full of retards. They’re always making googly eyes out the windows and drooling on themselves. What’s up with that? Can’t they ride the regular kids’ bus?
Good Subject: Why do schools pick up the disabled kids in short busses? Good Post: Every day after my kid gets on the bus, another bus comes around the neighborhood shortly thereafter that is shorter and full of what seems to be disabled students (it has a wheelchair lift). Is there a reason why the longer busses can’t be equipped with wheelchair lifts? What is the correlation between “retarded” and “short bus”?
There’s completely innocuous ways to ask questions, and then there’s just being a jerk.
It sucks when you get piled on by fat people, because, you know, they are heavy and stuff.
But, seriously now, while I agree that sometimes The Fatty Brigade can derail otherwise legitimate topics, I didn’t see any undeserved ire in that thread. The question was answered quite well and Valteron wouldn’t stop with his agenda.
I’m waiting for the day I see the Pit thread: “Is it OK to insult fat people if they have brought their problem upon themselves?”
Thanks, Frank, for posting a link to the original thread. I have to agree, the subject (which I would assume has really to do with the mechanics of operatic singing) is not beyond discussion, but that getting into the topic of “fat people” is both offensive and doesn’t really contribute to a reasoned discussion of operatic singing. I guess, in terms of this thread, I have nothing else to add…
Hey, as long as I’m here, I just wanted to jump in (clear the decks… tidal wave alert!) and say I was originally thinking the same thing, then decided it had to have been someone else.
Valteron was definitely never banned. And, uh, if you really thought he’d been banned and come back somehow, the thing to do is probably ask one of the mods.
