Is teaching your daughter racism?

The story goes: (A) a white father’s telling her daughter to study hard to be a lawyer and (B) a white father’s tell her daughter not to marry a Black.

Some people here told me already that (B) is racist; I reasoned, if (B) is racist, then (A) must also be racist because first, the daughter may not want to be a lawyer but a hooker, secondly, the father is discriminating the profession of hookers by telling so.

Please tell me I am wrong.

You’re wrong. One’s profession is independent of one’s race.

Haj

Again, you are equating marrying outside your race with prostitution. If you think your daughter marrying outside of her race is just as immoral/unacceptable/demeaning/detrimental as becoming a hooker, than you are teaching your daughter racist values.

And since you asked nicely. Your wrong.

Here’s a link to the thread this started in.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=152418

You’re wrong. Happy?

You’re wrong because it’s a completely false analogy. (B) is an issue of race. (A) does not involve race in the slightest. By using the label “racist” the issue of race must be in play.

You’re wrong. The difference between the two is this:

(A) You advise you’re daughter not to be a doctor. Fine. No one is forced to be a doctor and anyone who is a doctor is free to pick up and quit. They are doctors by choice. Same with any other profession.

(B) Someone who is Black, is born that way, cannot help being that way (unless you’re Michael Jackson :slight_smile: ) and will die that way. They cannot pick up and quit being black, nor can someone choose to be black, if they are not.

That’s why the latter is racist and the former isn’t.

OK?

Zev Steinhardt

Well, I don’t want to add a “me too!” I also find it bizarre that you’d think of “prostitute” as a race. If your point was to start a debate on social prejudice against people in the much-maligned sex trade, there are better ways to have started the OP.

Watch out for those Houyhnhnms. If I remember my* Gulliver’s Travels*, they tended to make enormous leaps of logic which discredited their arguments.

That got me thinking:

Why is a White grandfather prefering his grandchild to look like him a racist?

Why wouldn’t White grandfather’s kids look like him if his daughter married outside his race?
Oh, that’s right. You seem to have some strange ideas about 'breeding stock" and genetics.

It’s not. It’s may be slightly petty (more than slightly, if grampa holds it against the kid). If that’s his excuse for preferring his child marry within the race, then I’d say he’s lying, and has other issues with race.

vbd: Why is a White grandfather prefering his grandchild to look like him a racist?

What’s racist is to automatically assume that your grandchildren’s skin color is what determines whether they “look like you”. Your grandchildren can still look like you in lots of ways no matter what the color of their skin is: if the skin color is all that matters to you, you’re being racist.

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What is the b in the OP’s name?

Bored?
Barmy?
Blithering idiot?

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Moderator’s Note: Hamlet, let’s leave the speculating on what the “b” stands for out of GD, please.

Before continuing the discussion, I’d like to ask a question:

Why my “edit” button doesn’t work? Is it a policy that once you have posted you can’t go back to make changes? (typos, grammars, etc.)

I got this message when clicked on the “edit” button of my own posts within seconds after the posting:

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You cannot edit your own posts on the SDMB.

Yes.

If A. a cat is a pet and B. a dog is a pet, then if the cat’s breath smells like cat food then obviously the dog’s must too.

Your question should have been - "Is teaching your daughter discrimination?
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And even then - teaching and commanding are two entirely different things. “do not marry a black man” is not the passing on of knowledge/understanding (teaching) it is simply a command.

What was the topic again?

Teach your daughter as you wish to be taught. Exactly what are you trying to do here?

Well, it sounds to me, verybdog, that NEITHER of your examples is “teaching” the daughter – or rather it only “teaches” her about her father’s personality. The father in both cases is just expressing to her his preference, which in case “a” (choice of career) is reasonable and practical and can be sustained with rational cost-benefit arguments, and in case “b” is not. It has been explained previously in this thread and in the other one where this question came from.

Given the reality most of us live in, a strong presumption that the cause for Father’s preference in case “b” is racism is not farfetched; but, hey, who knows, maybe he’s not racist, maybe he’s just pathetically shallow about physical appearance. In any case, the fact remains that the daughter can upon reaching adulthood and going her own way – maybe going for a career as an aviation mechanic – tell dad she pities him for thinking that way.

The father does not deserve to be called ‘racist’. Consider the following conversation between father and daughter, see if you agree:
Daughter: Daddy, when I grow up I want to have one boy, one girl.

Dad: That’s wonderful, honey. I wish your baby girl is just as beautiful as you are - blonde hair, blue eyes, and a pretty nose. Would you promise me that?

Daughter: Yes, Daddy, I promise.

Daddy: (smile and hug her) I love you!