Truly bad things made in the name of ideologlies are off the scale of left-right.
Please cite where I said you said Nazi.
You defended the use of extreme labels on Ann Coulter, which I in this thread took to be extreme right wing (no one having yet called Ann Coulter left wing I think). Further, extreme right wing in this thread, as of the OP, means “Neo-Nazi” or something like that.
But perhaps you didn’t say Nazi in so many words, and I didn’t accuse you of that – in so many words. Now we could either continue to go about arguing who said what and why, or alternatively we could grab the issue by the bollocks – which is that you defended the use of extreme labels or associations with Ann Coulter. A thing I find not just stupid but dangerous to boot. The fact that you apparently agree with me on that count does not make your statement any more clever.
How do you know which point of Coulter’s it is I don’t agree with?
- Rune
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Yes, labeling someone an extremeist is dangerous, but actually writing we should engage in a Jihad is defendable by logic currently buried on Pluto somewhere. I suppose you defend Mein Kampf from the extremist label as well while saying fighting Hitler in WW2 is not just stupid but dangerous to boot.
Which should make it all the more shocking that i label her an extremist (also note once again i DIDN’T label her a Nazi). She IS an extremist, unless you can defend calling for murder a rational view. I am waiting. Please enlighten this ignorant American boy on your superior European view on rational genocide. I listen with open ears.
I assumed you weren’t a holocauster. I shall make no such assumptions anymore. Keep building your deathcamps for those towelheads.
Left and right in this context are much to abstract to be used in a meaningfull debate.
We would have to debate multiple scales. Were fighting ignorance, remember?
Sorry, YourOldBuddy, but any attempts to get the Politicial Hotheads on the boards to cool off and listen to some middle-ground reasoning will be ignored. Some people just can’t let go of the divisive polarity that has become so prevalent in our society. See, a black-and-white worldview is simple and easy to grasp… that’s why so many people adhere to it. By ignoring the gray areas of life, they eliminate the vast bulk of the education and intelligence that they would otherwise need. Extremists, and even not-so-extremists, are inherently stupid… it’s this stupidity (coupled with massive amounts of a bigotry and hate, and a teensy bit of psychosis, that is not unique to any end of the political spectrum) that gives rise to the Hitlers, Stalins, and Unabombers of the world.
The you in my “word association filler drival”, as you so charmingly put it, was not meant as the singular you, as in you Tars Tarkas, but the plural You, as in those that [use Nazi in vain] or someone etc. So no I didn’t mean to say you personally called her a Nazi in this part, I did say anyone doing so would be very very wrong.
Hidden away, somewhere in here, is actually something worth debating. When can somebody with reason be called a dangerous extremist? Well first off she didn’t write we (that is you guys) should engage in a Jihad – in so many words (like you didn’t put her in the Nazi camp – in so many words). Second, I don’t think everything Ann Coulter writes should be taken at face value. Sometimes she writes for fun, sometimes smearing a bit thick on to make a splash. Etc. So what? Her bark is worse than her bite. Does that make her an extremist, as defined in the OP? No it does not. No more than Michael Moore, Chumskey, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Marilyn French, Andrea Dworkin and host of other public debaters. And this is exactly the watering down of the extremist label we definitely do not need. Third, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf before WWII. I don’t see a direct, unavoidable path, from Mein Kamph to WWII. That one came after the other does not necessarily mean the first caused the second. I would not call Hitler in 1932 an extremist comparable to Hitler 1944 – and especially not based solely on the book. But even so, Hitler 1932 was much, much, more that Ann Coulter, Marilyn French et al. is now.
Also note again I HAVEN’T actually said you did. But what have you said then? 1) You have defended calling her a dangerous extremist. 2) Ann Coulter has not to my knowledge ever been called left wing 3) Extremist in this OP means, for the right wing, “the Neo-Nazi, Fred Phelps” 1.2.3 I can’t see how that can be understood otherwise than calling her something akin to Nazi. But Nazi or Pol Pot or whatever, left or right, up or down, pink or purple, makes no difference to me, my beef is putting her in the extremist, as defined in the OP, camp. But if you in fact do not mean she belongs there with the “Neo Nazies” et al., don’t be coy about it, come right out and say it – so we can get that little misunderstanding cleared way.
Thank you for waiting. She called for killing their leaders, which in the context would be Osama Bin Laden etc. Yes I think this is a rational view, and one I too can subscribe to. Tell me why would you consider calling for the killing of Osama Bin laden an extremely irrational view?
Oh no. This Euro Trash would never deem himself worthy to teach you superior Americans on anything this important. Many apologies and thanks for reminding me of my inherent European inferiority. :rolleyes: I will listen with open ears to be enlightened by my master as to where explicitly she did call for genocide, rational or otherwise.
Ahh how nice Tars Takars :mad: , I see you have taken it upon yourself to call me a Nazi after all (except you didn’t say that did you – not in so many words). Thank you so very much. I see this is the second time already I have been called so on my short stay at SDMB, and every time it just gets better and better. Now if you would excuse me, I have a few camps to see to, can’t let them towelheads (whomever that would be) run around free you see. Also this holocaust thing I’m currently involved in; a time killer I tell you.
Yours with boots and swastika
- Rune
For the millionth time, Hitler wasnt a Leftist. He was a Racialist.
I don’t think he, or any other extremists, fit under one category. But you can call him a Hare Krishaist for all I care. I just think it’s really stupid to put Ann Coulter and Chomsky etc. in the same category.
- Rune
Agreed, the real struggle is between Democracy and Totalitarianism. Left vs. Right confuses the issue.
Regarding Hitler, Socialism is basically about abolishing the class system. Of course how to do this varies wildly, from bloody revolution to incremental egalitarianism in a parliamentary system.
Nazism is about race: make the Aryans the master race and enslave everybody else, and the class system is irrelevant.
Although they don’t fit all of the criteria…are you not familiar with John Zerzan and his followers?