Joe Klein’s TIME website list of RWE traits~
So let’s rally upm my fellow remnant of Doper conservatives, libertarians & classical liberals (yes, that means you, Liberal), and see how much of this fits us.
My answers will be in the next post.
A right-wing extremist exhibits many, but not necessarily all, of the following attributes:
–believes that America is always, in every instance, the ultimate force of moral authority in the world.
–believes that Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11—even if not directly, he was just that sort of guy.
–sees transnational non-governmental groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International as “the next threats” to U.S. sovereignty. Calls them Transies, derisively.
–doesn’t hold a passport, as a matter of principle: there’s nothing over there except depravity.
–believes that capitalism creates perfect justice, and that any attempt to tax or regulate it constitutes “social engineering.” (Doesn’t believe in evolution, but does believe in social darwinism.)
–believes global warming is a left-wing myth.
–believes in the Second Amendment to the Constituion, but has some “problems” with the First.
–believes that any form of universal health insurance is socialism, even the tax credit system first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
–believes that there are inferior races.
–believes that there are inferior religions.
–believes in a global conspiracy led by Jewish bankers, Hollywood executives and journalists.
–believes, despite the above, that Israel is absolutely wonderful, and that when it achieves full dominion over its Biblical lands—especially Judea and Samaria—a great battle will be fought and Jesus will descend from the clouds.
–believes that homosexuals are condemned to hell.
–only receives news from Fox or right-wing radio talk show hosts.
–believes Hillary Clinton is a dangerous radical.
–regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock liberals.
This is just a partial list, off the top of my head…but I’m sure, as with lefties, these guys simply don’t exist, either.
A right-wing extremist exhibits many, but not necessarily all, of the following attributes:
–believes that America is always, in every instance, the ultimate force of moral authority in the world.
Of course not. I think we are on the side of the angels more often than not, but even so, we don’t want to be the American Empire.
–believes that Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11—even if not directly, he was just that sort of guy.
He was indeed that sort of guy, but no, he was not linked to 9/11.
–sees transnational non-governmental groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International as “the next threats” to U.S. sovereignty. Calls them Transies, derisively.
Threats, no. Pests, yeah.
–doesn’t hold a passport, as a matter of principle: there’s nothing over there except depravity.
This is just nuts.
–believes that capitalism creates perfect justice, and that any attempt to tax or regulate it constitutes “social engineering.” (Doesn’t believe in evolution, but does believe in social darwinism.)
Some regulations & taxes MAY be necessary, but don’t go crazy.
–believes global warming is a left-wing myth.
No, but “human-caused global warming which is curable by reversing the Industrial Revolution and Democratic Capitalism” is a major propaganda ploy which is extrapolated from the facts that the earth does seem to be getting warmer, along with Mars, in a time of major solar activity.
–believes in the Second Amendment to the Constituion, but has some “problems” with the First.
Both are equally sacred, with the Second being the citizens enforcement mechanism for the First.
–believes that any form of universal health insurance is socialism, even the tax credit system first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
I’ll have to look at the Heritage plan. I would love to see a form of UHI that doesn’t make us all patients of Big Doctor.
–believes that there are inferior races.
Inferior cultures- yes. Races- no.
–believes that there are inferior religions.
There are religions which are truer and falser than others. Of course.
Must we say that Diabolism and Jainism are ethically equivalent?
–believes in a global conspiracy led by Jewish bankers, Hollywood executives and journalists.
That’s silly. There IS however a global establishment led by corporate socialists and cultural secularists, of various ethnicities and religious persuasions.
–believes, despite the above, that Israel is absolutely wonderful, and that when it achieves full dominion over its Biblical lands—especially Judea and Samaria—a great battle will be fought and Jesus will descend from the clouds.
Israel IS relatively wonderful, compared to the rest of the neighborhood. The conflict there does have something to do with Jesus either returning personally or at least working out His Earthly Kingdom, but I won’t sign on to the above.
–believes that homosexuals are condemned to hell.
Of course not. Purgatory- maybe. But I still don’t believe in the moral equivalence of
homosexual and heterosexual practices.
–only receives news from Fox or right-wing radio talk show hosts.
I’m an MSNBC man.
–believes Hillary Clinton is a dangerous radical.
Not as much as she used to be, but I’m keeping my eye on her!
–regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock liberals.
I mock my own side before attacking the others. Ann Coulter needs somebody to stuff something in her mouth, but it won’t be me! (See the CS “V… Dentata” thread.)
Conservative republican here. I’m apparently not a right-wing extremist.
**–believes that America is always, in every instance, the ultimate force of moral authority in the world. **I believe that America has often been an important force of moral authority, certainly not always, and usually not alone.
–believes that Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11—even if not directly, he was just that sort of guy. I believe that he was dangerous, not responsible for 9/11.
**–sees transnational non-governmental groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International as “the next threats” to U.S. sovereignty. Calls them Transies, derisively. **These groups seem OK to me. –doesn’t hold a passport, as a matter of principle: there’s nothing over there except depravity. I’ve had a valid passport for 35 years. –believes that capitalism creates perfect justice, and that any attempt to tax or regulate it constitutes “social engineering.” (Doesn’t believe in evolution, but does believe in social darwinism.) I believe in capitalism, evolution, reasonable taxation and regulation. –believes global warming is a left-wing myth. I believe the evidence supports a global warming trend. –believes in the Second Amendment to the Constituion, but has some “problems” with the First. I believe that both of these amendments protect essential individual liberties.
**–believes that any form of universal health insurance is socialism, even the tax credit system first proposed by the Heritage Foundation. I believe that a single-payer universal system is inevitable and will be a good thing.
--believes that there are inferior races. **I’ll quote Mark Twain: “It’s enough for me to know that he’s a man; he can’t be any worse than that.”
**–believes that there are inferior religions. **I believe that Scientology is inferior to cargo cults.
**–believes in a global conspiracy led by Jewish bankers, Hollywood executives and journalists. **Sheesh.
**–believes, despite the above, that Israel is absolutely wonderful, and that when it achieves full dominion over its Biblical lands—especially Judea and Samaria—a great battle will be fought and Jesus will descend from the clouds. **I must confess the I find the book of Revelation baffling.
**–believes that homosexuals are condemned to hell. **I believe we are saved by faith, not works.
**–only receives news from Fox or right-wing radio talk show hosts. **I don’t watch television, and listen to NPR. –believes Hillary Clinton is a dangerous radical. I believe that she is a moderate Senator.
--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock liberals. I sometimes use harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock almost everyone, depending on the circumstances and my mood.
I suppose I could go thru and list which of the sixteen points I agree with and which I don’t, but what would be the point? If someone thinks right-wingers think all that, they won’t read it anyway.
Read the thread, did you? Other than Der Trihs (surprise!), who was agreeing with any large part of the list?
Personally, I think both the conservative and liberal lists are basically nonsense. Anybody who agrees with all the points on either list is well beyond extreme.
I know at least one, possibly 3 people who believe the majority of the things on this list.
–believes that America is always, in every instance, the ultimate force of moral authority in the world.
Yup.
–believes that Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11—even if not directly, he was just that sort of guy.
Yup. He knows ‘the truth’, regardless of what they tell the public.
–sees transnational non-governmental groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International as “the next threats” to U.S. sovereignty.
Yup. He hates Amnesty Internation.
–doesn’t hold a passport, as a matter of principle: there’s nothing over there except depravity.
Not sure on this one. He’s a Japanophile, so this prolly isn’t true.
–believes that capitalism creates perfect justice, and that any attempt to tax or regulate it constitutes “social engineering.” (Doesn’t believe in evolution, but does believe in social darwinism.)
Not sure on his stance on evolution (but backs Bush’s decision on ID, cuz he’s Bush), but back capitalism all the way.
–believes global warming is a left-wing myth.
Yup. It’s all just BS designed to take profits from good companies.
–believes in the Second Amendment to the Constituion, but has some “problems” with the First.
Yup. Complete and total gun nut. Thinks that there should be more gubmint censoring of the liberal media. But Faux News is kewl.
–believes that any form of universal health insurance is socialism, even the tax credit system first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
Yup. Our system is better than anything Europe has.
–believes that there are inferior races.
Maybe. I’m not certain if he hates ‘towel heads’ because he’s a racist, or because he’s told to.
–believes that there are inferior religions.
Yup. Islam is evil and should stamped out for the good of the world. Oddly, he’s not very vocal about his own religious beliefs.
–believes in a global conspiracy led by Jewish bankers, Hollywood executives and journalists.
Not sure on this one.
–believes, despite the above, that Israel is absolutely wonderful, and that when it achieves full dominion over its Biblical lands—especially Judea and Samaria—a great battle will be fought and Jesus will descend from the clouds.
Not really big on religion from what I’ve seen.
–believes that homosexuals are condemned to hell.
Sort of. Isn’t into the religious part of it, but is against gay marriage.
–only receives news from Fox or right-wing radio talk show hosts.
Yup. Oh wait, you forgot right right blogs on the internet.
–believes Hillary Clinton is a dangerous radical.
Yup. Oh boy yup.
–regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock liberals.
Yup. Harsh, vulgar, and especially intolerant.
–believes that America is always, in every instance, the ultimate force of moral authority in the world.
No.
–believes that Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11—even if not directly, he was just that sort of guy.
I doubt that he even cheered it. He knew what it meant for him.
–sees transnational non-governmental groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International as “the next threats” to U.S. sovereignty. Calls them Transies, derisively.
No.
–doesn’t hold a passport, as a matter of principle: there’s nothing over there except depravity.
I oppose passports as a matter of principle, but not for that reason. People should be free to travel anywhere freely.
–believes that capitalism creates perfect justice, and that any attempt to tax or regulate it constitutes “social engineering.” (Doesn’t believe in evolution, but does believe in social darwinism.)
It should be regulated against coercion, but not anything more than that.
–believes global warming is a left-wing myth.
No.
–believes in the Second Amendment to the Constituion, but has some “problems” with the First.
I have problems with both.
–believes that any form of universal health insurance is socialism, even the tax credit system first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
Yes.
–believes that there are inferior races.
Well, the race in Darlington really doesn’t hold a candle to the race in Charlotte. (But, no.)
–believes that there are inferior religions.
No, but in all honesty, I gotta say that Jim Jones, David Koresh, and the like were inferior gods.
–believes in a global conspiracy led by Jewish bankers, Hollywood executives and journalists.
Maybe the last one, to some extent.
–believes, despite the above, that Israel is absolutely wonderful, and that when it achieves full dominion over its Biblical lands—especially Judea and Samaria—a great battle will be fought and Jesus will descend from the clouds.
Well, stranger things have happened.
–believes that homosexuals are condemned to hell.
No.
–only receives news from Fox or right-wing radio talk show hosts.
No. I get my news on weekends from Meet the Press, Fox News Sunday, and the McLaughlin Group.
–believes Hillary Clinton is a dangerous radical.
A shrill bitch and an opportunist, sure. But not really as dangerous as I once feared.
–regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock liberals.
If by “liberals” they mean “leftists”, I do sometimes, I suppose.
At that point we’d only had a couple dozen posts to the thread. Of those, many didn’t address the specific list. The ones who did, though, seemed OK with a lot of it. MrDibble agrees with more than half of it for instance.
Of course, being a bunch of weenie liberals, most of the answers were hedged with qualifiers and exceptions.
Since I first looked, it seems that Shodan has tweaked it a bit. His version, while still loony, will surely get many posters to nod in agreement.
Agreed, 100%. But we don’t have a single poster who agrees with even half of the conservative list but many who agree with half of the liberal list I’d wager. MHO, IAMADLIC, etc.
Ted, you’re not my fellow anything. Except human being, I suppose. You’re about as close to me as Holy Joe Lieberman is to a normal democrat.
That said, I’m still pissed about what FDR did to the Constitution of these United States.
–believes that America is always, in every instance, the ultimate force of moral authority in the world.
We should be. It’s a crying shame when we aren’t. “Truth, Justice, and the American Way” means something. We’ve failed to live up to standards far too often.
–believes that Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11—even if not directly, he was just that sort of guy.
Bullshit is bullshit. Not that he wouldn’t have loved it.
–sees transnational non-governmental groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International as “the next threats” to U.S. sovereignty. Calls them Transies, derisively.
Threats? No. In an ideal world, they’d work for us. In this world, we shouldn’t ignore 'em, but they ain’t all they say they are.
Sometimes they get things right.
–doesn’t hold a passport, as a matter of principle: there’s nothing over there except depravity.
I shift from the Paleos here. Frankly, I think people who immigrate to this country are the motivated kinds of people we need here. I think other countries are at least as messed up as we are, we just care about it more. That said, there’s a lot of great stuff outside the USA. Some of it we can learn from. Lot of it is tasty.
–believes that capitalism creates perfect justice, and that any attempt to tax or regulate it constitutes “social engineering.” (Doesn’t believe in evolution, but does believe in social darwinism.)
Ignoring the bullshit parenthesis, in theory, provided monopoly is avoided, and assuming all goods are commodity goods, it’s true. All goods aren’t commodity goods. That said, any attempt to tax or regulate commerce is essentially economic engineering, and as we generally relate to each other enmasse in an economic way, it’s pretty near social engineering of one kind or another. So?
Social Darwinism is a self-congratulating tool of the monopolist, though. And what the hell does evolution have to do with it?
–believes global warming is a left-wing myth.
What the hell does that have to do with politics? That’s science.
–believes in the Second Amendment to the Constituion, but has some “problems” with the First.
The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States exists to preserve, protect, and defend the First. From all infringers. Especially the government.
–believes that any form of universal health insurance is socialism, even the tax credit system first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
Well, it’s social engineering. The specifics of the plan are what make it socialist.
–believes that there are inferior races.
When I find one, I’ll believe it. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I ain’t found one yet. Now, if you happen to find me a tribe of hominids with a collective IQ of 70 and sway-backs, I’ll call 'em inferior.
–believes that there are inferior religions.
Yep. For one, those that seek to impose their beliefs as a law of this land. I don’t care if you call it Sharia Law or Judeo-Christian Tradition, if it’s about morality, it’s my business, not yours. (And as a jew, I’m damn insulted by Judeo-Christian. It means ‘Christian’.)
–believes in a global conspiracy led by Jewish bankers, Hollywood executives and journalists.
Shit, if that existed, we wouldn’t be having this problem in Iraq.
–believes, despite the above, that Israel is absolutely wonderful, and that when it achieves full dominion over its Biblical lands—especially Judea and Samaria—a great battle will be fought and Jesus will descend from the clouds.
So, what, no Jewish right-wingers?
–believes that homosexuals are condemned to hell.
You know, you see my point about Judeo-Christian? Hell is more or less something you people obsess over. Not so big, here.
–only receives news from Fox or right-wing radio talk show hosts.
They have news?
–believes Hillary Clinton is a dangerous radical.
She is, insofar as her lovely ideals on public censorship are concerned.
–regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to mock liberals.
Only when they annoy me. Truthfully, they tend to annoy me less than the people putatively on my side.
No, I believe America is on the right side more often than not. But there have been numerous times when we were wrong and somebody else was right.
No, not at all. Saddam’s secular control of an Islamic nation was the kind of thing Al Qaeda was primarily opposed to.
No, I feel this is just ridiculous. NGO’s have no power over governments accept to appeal to the people in a country to make changes.
I don’t hold a passpost, but it’s because I’ve never needed one not a matter of principle. I plan on getting one this year in anticipation of needing it next year.
No, I believe that capitalism and the free market need regulation to ensure they function in the real world the way they’re supposed to according to theory.
No, global warming is scientific fact
I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of individual gun ownership. But I think that is a bad idea whose time has passed and would like to see this amendment abolished by constitutional means and replaced by much more restricted gun control laws. I agree with the rights of the First Amendment and feel that these rights are not being protected enough by the government.
No, I believe that while guaranteed health care isn’t a right, it is, like guaranteed education, a good idea which would benefit society and should be enacted.
No, that’s just stupid and only a fool would believe this.
In theory I’d say all religions are equal in that they are all based on unproven faith and myths. But some particular religions are sillier than others. So in that sense, I personally have less respect for Scientology than I have for Buddhism.
No, I don’t believe in conspiracies in general.
I think Israel is a better country than most and certainly is the best country in the region of the world where it’s located. But I don’t think Israel is perfect. And I don’t personally believe in the biblical prophecies involving Israel.
No, not at all.
No, I try to receive news from as many diverse sources as possible and tend to receive less from “conservative” sources.
No. In fact, I voted for her twice.
No. As I said about conservatives, I try to communicate by reason rather than emotion. However, as with conservatives, sometimes I find it’s more effective to respond in kind to the way the other guy is talking.
Actually, I think Klein made a very good point. Both liberals and conservatives tend to believe that the list of the opposing ideology is an accurate reflection of what the “other side” believes. But the actual liberals mostly disagree with the left-wing list and the actual conservatives mostly disagree with the right-wing list. So I think it’s clear that both sides have a false impression of what the other side actually believes.
Then you’re not an extremist, you’re an intelligent conservative – and there are a helluvalot more like you than my fellow liberals want to admit. I know some conservative extremists out here in the sandhills of the Great American West – and they are a scary lot! Not many of 'em, but what they lack in quantity they make up for in in batshit craziness. Yes, they do agree with every one of Klein’s points; no, they wouldn’t be caught dead even lurking on SDMB.
Okay, I"m going to answer this based on my knowledge of ‘right wing extremists’. The views expressed below are not necessarily mine, but what I think a ‘right wing extremist’ thinks.
Nope. But they believe that left-wing extremists always assume America is wrong, so they are reflexively defensive about it. They share a common trait with left-wing extremists here - they tend to project ‘America’ as being whatever party is in power. So for example, during the Clinton years ‘right wing extremists’ opposed interventions in Somalia and elsewhere, were convinced that the bombing of Libya was Clinton ‘wagging the dog’, and were up in arms about human rights violations with respect to Waco and Ruby Ridge. On the other hand, a lot of left-wing extremists had no problem with America’s militaristic forays, because a Democrat was behind the wheel. Change parties, and the opinions flip-flop.
A lot of them do, this is true. But a lot more have a more nuanced view, which the left has continually refused to acknowledge. It’s not that Saddam sat in on planning sessions for the WTC attacks, or even that he knew about them. Their opinion is more along the lines that the WTC attacks highlighted a fundamental and dangerous problem with the status quo in the middle east - a status quo that Saddam was actively encouraging by funding suicide bombers, offering training, safe harbor, and materials to extremists, being a lightning rod for America hatred, and in general actively inciting hatred in the Middle East. So he became their target.
You picked the wrong organizations. A lot of ‘right wing extremists’ actually like Human Rights Watch, because it has a record of going after communists like Castro with as much vigor as it goes after right-wing despots. If you had said the UN, international courts, or other bodies that seek actual power over American policy and seek to encroach on America’s jurisdiction, you’d have a point. The Kyoto accord, for example, which they reflexively see as an attempt to diplomatically and economically undermine the U.S. under the guise of environmentalism.
BTW, I have never, ever heard the term ‘transies’. Never seen it in print either, until now. Where does that come from?
This is ridiculous. I’ve never heard or seen anything remotely like this. Right wing extremists like to travel and sightsee like anyone else.
No, they believe that governments are incapable of micro-managing an economy, and attempts to replace the market with government are doomed to failure. That doesn’t mean they think capitalism is perfect - in fact, lots of ‘right wing extremists’ are extremely suspicious of large corporations. They just think government is worse.
The ‘doesn’t believe in evolution’ thing is confusing ‘right wing extremists’ with ‘religious zealots’. They are not the same thing.
What they believe is that the left has a habit of coming up with periodic ‘scares’ - the answer to which is always more government, higher taxes, and control of the people by the left-wing intelligentsia ‘for their own good’. And they have a point. On the right, they sometimes call environmentalists ‘watermelons’ - green on the outside, red on the inside. If the environmental movement is having a hard time getting the global warming problem across to these people, they are partly to blame. Remember Alar? Apples were killing us. Peak oil catastrophism? Global cooling? Dioxin? The ‘garbage crisis’? Asbestos? The ‘China Syndrome’? DDT? The ‘population bomb’? ‘Limits to Growth’? The Club of Rome, and their predictions that billions would be dying of starvation and freezing in the dark by the year 2000?
Make enough of these extreme predictions and have them prove to be completely wrong, and people stop believing you. So yes, there is a reflexive tendency to disbelieve just about anything the environmental movement has to say.
What would those problems be? I’ve never heard it. ‘Right Wing Extremists’ tend to be constitutional absolutists. It’s the left that has problems with the first amendment (hate speech, religious speech, campaign finance reform, attempts to shut down conservative speech on radio) and the second amendment.
No, they believe that governments are lousy at allocating resources, and that the market does a better job. They believe that ‘HillaryCare’ was socialism - which is wrong, but closer to the mark. It was awfully intrusive.
Nonsense. Racism crosses all party boundaries. Segregation in the South was supported mainly by Democrats. Today, the left is the bastion of anti-semitism. The Black Panthers were overtly racist. The only ex-KKK official in Congress is a Democrat. Right-wing == racist is simply an unjustified smear.
Doesn’t every religious person believe that other religions are inferior? How is this a right-wing thing? The Pope isn’t exactly a right-wing extremist, and I’ll bet he thinks lots of religions are inferior to his.
Sorry, the Jewish conspiracies are on the left now. And I’ve never heard anyone on the right speak of ‘conspiracies’ when it comes to the media and Hollywood. They simply think that Hollywood is extremely liberal, and has a lot of power, so it’s a force to be opposed. Same with the media, though not to the same extent. That’s not crazy or extremist - it’s a pretty accurate statement of fact. Admit it - if 90% of Hollywood was conservative, and constantly appearing in commercials for conservative causes, testifying in front of Congress in support of conservative policies, making movies that glorified conservative causes, and raising funds for conservative candidates, the left would be having conniptions. Say, like they did when Rush Limbaugh came along. Hell, they tried to pass laws to force him off the air because he was ‘dangerous’.
Again, seperating out the religious mumbo-jumbo which only a tiny fraction of the right believes, what’s left is that the right believes that Israel is the best country in the region, and that it is under extreme strain - strain which it handles at least as well as any other modern democracy would. Also, Israel is our ally and deserves our support and defense. The right also believes that the primary responsibility for the failure of the Palestinians to attain statehood lies primarily with the Palestinians themselves, and secondarily with the other Arab states who helped put the Palestinians in the situation they are in. The right also believes that the left tends to gloss over the horrible civil rights record of the Palestinians - not just against Israelis with terror attacks, but against their own people. And for that matter the civil rights abuses of other Arab nations. And at the same time, they exaggerate the responses of the Israelis (Jenin ‘massacre’, anyone?). So the right tends to reflexively come down on the side of Israel.
As for the religious belief that Israel is necessary for the great conflagration to come and be refereed by the big guy himself, I have to say that I think this is greatly over-dramatized by the left in an attempt to smear their opponents. I know a lot of very conservative religious people, and I fully understand why they support Israel. It’s as simple as this: The Israelis are God’s chosen people. The rest of us get to heaven through Christ, but they get there because God chose them to be there. That means they are treated with great respect, and that respect translates into sympathy. These are people who routinely take trips to the holy land, and come back just gushing about the experience and how nice the Jewish people are. They have a close emotional connection to Israel.
But it’s not about Revelations. It’s just not part of the thinking. It may come up in a sermon, but even Evangelicals don’t sit around wringing their hands waiting for judgement. They’re normal people who run businesses, save for retirement, and hope for the best for their kids. The Jews in Israel are just Kin.
Many religious people of all political stripes believe this. The church my wife attends is extremely liberal - and it’s tearing itself apart over this issue right now.
Please. What, you think right-wing extremists don’t read newspapers? Or watch the evening news? It may be that they get their talking points from Fox, Rush, and the rest. But you’d have to live in a cave to not get mainstream news.
True, in the most part. But then, she spent a lot of time when she was younger helping build that notion.
Oh, man. The right isn’t even in the same league as the angry left when it comes to intolerant language aimed at their opponents. Go listen to an ANSWER rally some time. Or just read the signs. Intolerance and hatred is the norm. Try to debate them, and you’ll get screamed at and threatened. Now go to a christian conservative rally. You’ll note that it’s much cleaner, much more civilized, and the rhetoric isn’t nearly as heated. For that matter, compare the behaviour of the ‘angry left’ on this board to the conservative contingent.
