Is there, any more, any Next Thing, any Coming Thing, any Rising Thing -- any Future?

I mean in terms of ideas that give people hope for the future and for progress.

Ever since the Enlightenment, if not the Renaissance, it has appeared to many thoughtful people (at least in the Western world) that this or that was the Wave of the Future. The Philosophes foresaw a glorious Age of Reason, the Romantics an Age of Liberation. People got enthusiastic about nationalism, about capitalism, about socialism, most of all and most justifiably about the potential of technological progress. H.G. Wells, it has been said, wore the future around his neck like a millstone, and influenced many of his generation.

In the early 20th Century there was a widespread fascination with The Future, an assumption that it would somehow be more glorious and transcendent than the past – see the welcome page of David Szondy’s Tales of Future Past website for an eloquent description. The Russian Revolution promised the world a new age of freedom, equality and prosperity – less said of that the better. Then the Nazis came along and promised a glorious New World Order of, by and for pureblood Aryan supermen – less said of that the better.

The post-WWII decolonization of the Third World started with such high hopes, but for the most part it just won Third Worlders the right to be oppressed and exploited by people who speak a language they can understand.

Martin Luther King had a Dream – and it has mostly been fulfilled, at least in America; but millions of Americans still live in poverty, ignorance, squalor and violence, and they’re well off compared to most Third Worlders, and nobody seems to have any compelling idea of how to change any of that for the better.

We went through all the cultural revolutions of the 1960s and '70s, the feminist revolution, the sexual revolution – all pretty much reached their maximum potential and petered out. (I’m all for gender-parity in pay and legalizing gay marriage, but those things not going to revolutionize society.)

The post-Goldwater American conservative movement roared, and peaked, and degenerated into its present Ghost Dance moment of Tea Party screaming; the best thing even thoughtful conservatives can hope for, now, is that the screams will gradually grow ever fainter.

Libertarianism does not appear it will ever have its moment, the way socialism did; it is no nearer now than when the LP was founded, to catching fire and making millions believe it is the wave of the future.

Communism and socialism, as ideas, have largely lost their enthusiasm – even the “socialist” parties of Europe are really social democrats, or progressives (as I define the term “progressive” here – i.e., something well to the left of “liberal” and well to the right of “socialist”) – they might still believe in social progress of a kind, but they have mostly lost faith in what has been called “the theology of the final goal.” And the few remaining hardcore Communist states are fossils in the eyes of everyone – including, probably, themselves. The Zapatista rebels in Mexico do not even bother to call themselves “Marxists”; they would have, if their rebellion had started 20 or even 10 years earlier. So far as I’ve heard, not even Hugo Chavez invokes the name of Marx very often; it has lost its power to conjure.

Capitalism don’t look so hot either, at the moment; everybody just sticks with it for lack of compelling alternatives. That includes the post-Communist states. Whatever it is, it ain’t the Wave of the Future, not the way it was in the early 19th Century, nor the way it was when the Berlin Wall fell. Sorry, no End of History, Mr. Fukuyama. Neoliberalism and globalization just mean still more austerity and exploitation and strife for Third Worlders – and deindustrialization and unemployment or working-poordom for millions of First Worlders. And from what I can see, it’s not even much of a fun time to be rich, any more.

The neoconservative dream of a “Second American Century” quickly decayed into an embarrassment of cosmic proportions. Less said, etc.

Technology? We’re so used to continual technological progress, now, that it’s just part of the way things are – outgrowing “Future Shock” also means outgrowing “Future Wow!” Some do expect a Singularity, a “Rapture of the Nerds”; but at least as many people believe technology has run up against its limits or worse, and not entirely unreasonably fear a global “Peak Oil” crisis or “Long Emergency” that industrial civilization will be lucky to survive.

I doubt very much that very many thoughtful Muslims believe, any more, that Dar al-Islam as such has glories yet before it.

Some Christians still expect a glorious Apocalypse, but that’s rather outside the discussion; they were expecting it when some of them could still remember Jesus alive.

Now, here, after the Millennial odometer has turned, the Millennium is not yet here and is nowhere to be seen on the horizon . . . More importantly, nobody, not even a vocal minority, can even plausibly claim to espy in which direction it lies.

What is the Next Thing? What is the Wave of the Future? What is the path to Tomorrowland?

Anything?

Nothing?

I dunno. Maybe it’s better for humanity not to have a Future, in the sense discussed here, not to dream of anything at all that might usher in a glorious New Age. Such thinking, in many different forms, has caused us no end of trouble already. Maybe, even in the broad, collective, historical, civilizational sense, we should just try to muddle along one day at time and wait for Tomorrow to bring what it brings.

But, dammit! I STILL WANT MY JETPACK! :mad::mad::(:frowning:

Dunno, gays and polygamists will get fully enfranchised, then possibly a Wahabist/Barbarian uprising will appear to rid us of all our sinfulness and return us to the middle ages. It ended the Roman age and the Islamic age, no reason to think it won’t end the modern age.

A few possible next steps I can (tentatively) see are:

  1. Combining the EU and US into a single state
  2. Mass terraforming of Africa, turning it into the agricultural center of the planet
  3. Virtual livelihoods and living, paired with a move towards a mineral-only scarcity economy

Pre-op transsexual celibacy.

Trust me.

Africa is already terraformed.

So is Antarctica.

Genetic engineering is in its infancy. It will eventually change everything.

Just a nitpick: they didn’t peter out; they succeeded.

But on to the meat of your post.

I think that the energy revolution is one of the next. Peak oil won’t hit for 50-100 years or even longer, but we’re making moves to switch right now. It’s going to take environmentalists a long time to get over their phobia of nuclear fission, which is the only realistic medium-term solution to the base load issue.

Another one is the commercialisation of space. Falcon and Virgin Galactic are just the start. Who knows where that will lead.

Nanotubes and Nano-tech in general and the energy revolution are going to be huge and absolutely needed. Genetics is still just starting. If we can ever achieve working Fusion it would of course mean a huge leap forward.

We are probably going to run out of enough fresh water before we run out of oil. We will need a lot of cleaner energy to turn salt water into irrigation water or the Green Revolution will die and the Chaos of not being able to feed the Billions will be frightening.

Clean energy for desalination is readily available via nuclear power; political stability in the affected areas is another matter entirely. Probably more energy is going to be required for pumping the water around than the actual desalination. I expect America will be the first to go for this, what with the demand in California initially, and aren’t the aquifers underneath the grain states depleting rapidly?

We may hope. But, unless the “energy revolution” takes the form of something like cold fusion or zero-point energy, all it will do is save industrial civilization from destruction; it won’t open dazzling new vistas.

I don’t think you understand the concept of Peak Oil. The U.S. passed its all-time peak of oil production in the mid-1970s. We’re still pumping oil out of the ground – but fewer barrels, and at a higher cost for barrel, every year. The date of the global peak is less certain – by some estimates we’ve already passed it.

Based on discussions in this thread, it might well lead nowhere.

Desalination on a grand scale is still very expensive to my knowledge and consumes a huge amount of energy. Also while the US faces some real problem, my understanding is that India will be the first to really run out of enough water. They are apparently depleting their aquifers at a scary rate now.

Fission is not an unlimited power source, breeder reactors are not yet commercial, and the problem of waste is still out there.

Aliens did it?

ter·ra·form tr.v.
Yup, that verb is transitive.

True, the word isn’t meant to be used in respect to continents nor any activity on Earth, so my usage is technically invalid as well, but I can’t think of what would be a better word to refer to actively changing the climate and ecology of massively large regions of land.

I would think the opposite of these huge undertakings would be the new norm. An era of decentralization, decentralized governments, decentralized power, decentralized water and food production. Smaller communities with similar ideologies sprouting up being held together by a loose net of government. And a mass exodus from the large city urban living we see today.

Not going to happen. Just the same as Walmart kicks the ass of mom and pop stores, the move is going to continue to be bigger, more centralized, and more white-bread (which, in the case of governments, means more accepting of different beliefs).

I disagree. Clean, cheap electricity will work wonders, especially when spread around the world, particularly to India and China.

Believe it or not, but the U.S. is not the whole world. There are staggeringly vast amounts of oil out there.

Yes, but the oil that’s easy to pump already has been pumped. Everywhere.

What about politics? The OP discussed socialism, libertarianism, neoliberalism, neoconservatism, fascism – none of those appear to be going anywhere. Capitalism, as an economic system, doesn’t seem to be “going anywhere” either – not away, but not Onward and Upward, either. Political democracy, as such, surged onto much of the world after the Cold War, but progress towards universal democracy seems to have stalled for the moment. With international socialism effectively off the table as a political force, there is no mass-based internationalist or world-government movement of any kind of any importance, anywhere. Few seriously expect our future lies in the direction of Ecotopia . . .

Can any political system or ideology plausibly be claimed, at this point, to be the Wave of the Future?

Not true. They’re still pumping it quite nicely in Saudi Arabia and many other places. And, of course, there are known reserves that have yet to be exploited. And who knows what reserves remain to be discovered?

At some point people with means are going to want to stop being around the poor. The fear of crime or disease ie. swine flu. With new technology they don’t have to live in cities for their jobs, the city doesn’t have anything extra in culture, symphonies and operas are already on hard times and it will only get worse with future generations.
Rich people already live in gated communities, how much harder for them would it be to sink a well and either use solar or wind power, or a small nuclear reactor. The gated community is then surrounded by a large group of help, maids, mechanics that sort, due to fears of food contamination they begin to grow much of the food for the community. And you have what amounts to a new feudal society with a basic loose form of government playing the king, much of the day to day government at upper community level and little say in government for the poor and little to no middle class.

I don’t think so BG. Pure Socialism and Communism are acknowledged failures. It could be argued that whatever you want to designate the Chinese Authoritarian Capitalist system might be the eventual fate of humanity. At very least individual rights will erode in ever faster.

I am reasonably sure that some form of Controlled Capitalism will win the end and the worst theocracies will finally fall to either internal pressure or outside force.

Humanity on earth will either muddle along under ever more repressive layers of rules and ever more benevolent socialist support or we will find a way to destroy the current civilization and the population of humans will plummet. I hold very little hope we will see humans thrive off of earth so I do not see politics improving overall.

Telling formulation. You seem to assume the only path for “politics improving” is for people to be able to run away from the established states and go elsewhere.