Is there scientific evidence for the existence of chi/qi?

As s often the case, it can be useful to start by considering concepts one at a time, even if they may be related.

‘Chi’ is a concept used in different cultures and different disciplines to mean slightly different things. At the more rational end of the spectrum, some people just use the word as a metaphor, or as a way of building a model. When it used in this way, the word can be useful, even if it is the case that ‘chi’ does not correspond to an actual source, type or flow of energy. A martial arts teacher can use the idea to help a student understand and visualise how to punch correctly with focused force.

There are many related concepts, in many fields of study, that help to create useful models or ways of understanding. Many electrical engineers, when asked to explain about electrical circuits, use metaphors about water flowing through pipes. Thinking about the quantity water, how quickly it passes a certain point, and the amout of pressure behind it can help the student understand things like voltage and amperage.

At the less rational end of the spectrum, there are those who refer to ‘chi’ as if it is a real force or type of energy or a channel for a type of energy, albeit one that ‘western’ science has difficulty detecting or measuring . These claims may or may not be accompanied by claims about auras, being able to punch people at a distance, having seemingly amazing control over the body’s usually autonomous systems, or being able to defy natural laws such as gravity.

All such claims are in the realm of myth and pseuso-science. If you want to believe in them, you can. That’s your right. You can begin with any hypothesis you want, and if you’re selective enough you’ll find evidence to support it. Psychic powers are as real as you want them to be, and so are witches flying through the air on broomsticks (well reported by the newspapers of the 17th century) and the merits of phrenology (well reported almost everywhere in the 1920s).

However, if you are interested in objective assessment, in the scientific approach of trying to test and break a hypothesis, then occasional reports and well-meaning eyewitness testimony are not enough. You have to wait until someone can demonstrate these ‘truths’ under well-controlled conditions, where we take precautions to guard againt observer error, mis-interpretation, selective thinking errors and fraud. When this is done, we can begin to regard these phenomena and these achievements as real, and as worthy of future study and independent corroboration. Until that day comes, there’s no good reason or good evidence to believe in these things any more than we believe in witches on broomsticks. And that day has not come yet.

Kirlian photography: if you take some photographic film and an electrical current and arrange them a certain way (details readily available all over the internet) you can end up with some messy, foggy bits of film that show nothing much, or sometimes you can get pretty images that show a corona around the outline or profile of the object photographed. Sometimes, these images are striking, beautiful and fascinating. It’s certainly easy to imagine they correspond to something like life energy or a psychic aura. You can believe this if you wish. Has anyone demonstrated in the scientific way mentioned above that this correlation has any factual basis? No. Not yet. Thelma Moss did some nice research on this and you can maybe still get her paperback books full of her findings. She felt there was something to the ‘kirlian image = life energy field’ theory. Unfortunately, there is no independent corroboration of her findings. So far as we know, these images are just an artefact of voltage and photographic film.

<mod>

At the request of the OP, I’m moving this to Great Debates.

Also editing the title of the thread to clarify post content.

GQ > GD

</mod>

I’ve been doing some Tai Chi this last year and I will tell you what “chi” or “qi” is to me:
When you learn the proper relaxation posture, and you’ve been doing these small slow movements for a while, you get this feeling in your stomach (diantien). I was a skeptic, but it hit me and I couldn’t wipe a grin off my face. You know the cramped, sickening feeling you get, say, thinking of a project due tomorrow morning that you’re going to be working on for a while? This is the opposite of that. It’s (and I hate to sound so hippyish but) a happy feeling from your center, and in addition it feels like your blood is pumping more efficiently.

From what I’ve been doing, this all makes perfect sense. You learn how to relax all your muscles as much as possible, you set your body up in the most natural way it could be, and you learn to breathe through your stomach instead of stretching your ribs for every breath (“like a baby naturally does” as my instructor would say). All of this makes your body, your breathing, and circulatory system more efficient, because you are breathing in more oxygen, while using less of it. The efficiency, imo, is what leads to the “happy feeling” known as feeling your chi.

If you’re going on this assumption, then you probably don’t want to go the scientific route, as science frowns on assuming something exists without evidence and then drumming up theories to explain the undocumented phenomenon. This tactic has been used in support of pseudoscience such as homeopathy, with the result that hilariously complex equations have been drawn up to justify something that’s supposed to happen as the result of a kind of “force” produced by undetectable molecules.

As noted earlier, a more common tactic is to dismiss the need for scientific corroboration or negative studies on the basis that “since science can’t support my brand of woo, it’s science that’s defective”.

By the way, a chi machine makes a great last-minute Xmas gift.

GQ thread from 2003.

The link to the study is broken.

Chi is willpower. If you can yield your mind and body to your will (not merely desires), you’ve got chi. If you can choke people without touching them, you’ve got “the force”.

My bad. http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

Chi is undetectable.
If you can yield your mind and body to your will (not merely desires), you’ve got self-control.
If you can choke people without touching them, you’ve got ‘Star Wars’.

If you can increase the rate of fur growth on a mangy cat, you’ve got a chi-a pet.

Damn. I’ve been doing martial arts for 13 years, never felt what you described, and you picked it up in several months?

FWIW, I put qi firmly in the first category ianzin described: it’s just kind of a metaphor for doing things the correct way, but unscrupulous people blow it up into being the Real Ultimate Power, most likely to pad their wallets.

There is a life energy present in all people. The more advanced you are spiritually the more you can feel it. It comes from the source of all life. It is your spirit that inhabits the physical body. Many people can see auras, it is not that hard. There are now computer programs that can display your aura on the monitor. I have a picture of my aura taken from a computer program.

Yes, I know the skeptics can’t find it, but that is not news.

Oxidative phosphorylation?

No – Love.

30 And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my garments?”

Or conversely someone may have just made all that rubbish up and you believed him or her because of your decent and trusting nature.

Your opinions aren’t evidence. Please post some if you have it.

Uhh… What? You found a computer program that detects an aura of love? Am I whooshing like crazy here?

And the little boy said “You aren’t wearing any clothes. And BTW, chi is crap”.

I told you my personal experience, not my opinion.

I didn’t find one, I experienced one, and they detect auras, not love.

And here we have someone who knows all, see all, tells all. Sorry if I don’t believe your nonsense.