"Is this a Jocasta complex?" or "Thanks, Mama, for the deeply disturbing compliment"

Very short- not to be a long thread at all, but M,P, & SIMS. But like most really short threads, it starts 79 years ago on a small farm in central Alabama.

I understand my father a thousand times better now than I ever did when he was alive. When he was alive I actively despised him, but now that I understand what he went through I sympathize with him and in retrospect I just moderately dislike him. (The whole Chris Rock thing of “I ain’t sayin’ it’s right [the way he was], but I understand!”.) My father was Keeper. Some of the people who read this are probably Keepers. He was still a horse’s ass, but being a Keeper can definitely turn a borderline person to the Dark Side, so I understand.

What is a Keeper?

Into every family and in every generation a ‘Keeper’ is born. I am guessing this is universal, but I know that it’s true in Southern families and from friends whose families I’ve known it seems also to be true in Jewish, Italian and Hispanic families (which means that if your name is Billy Ray Libertino y Goldblatt you’re screwed like Messalina at the Truth or Dare World Championship).

The “Keeper” is a child, it can be male or female- is often the youngest but that’s not mandatory- who is groomed from birth with the unspoken but nevertheless clear purpose that she or he is the one who will take care of Mama and or Daddy and or Whoever Else Needs Taking Care of When They Get Old and Infirm and Drunk. My father was The Keeper in his generation. I am The Keeper in mine. Like a Don Vito/Michael GODFATHER 2 interwoven storyline you could make a movie set from 1926 to the present about our attempts to break free and how they pulled us back in, but I digress.

My father’s parents never divorced but they lived mostly separate lives (physically and emotionally) for most of their marriage and neither was particularly parental. He was raised by his father’s “old maid” sisters (the twins I’ve mentioned in other threads) Kitty & Carrie and by his grandmother, Maw; they were 38 and 64 respectively when he was born and his mother was in her thirties. Though he had many cousins who were the same relation to his aunts and grandmother, he was the one who was raised in their house (4 room wobbling bathroomless cabin) and the one they picked as the Keeper (the word has two meanings, really). He received the special privileges afforded the Keeper (often spoiled, physically disciplined* less often than other kids, his favorites come up on the menu more often than most, etc.) but it’s payment up front for a back-end deal. When they were old an infirm he was to be the one who kept them.
*His father was a physically abusive bastard, insanely jealous of being supplanted as the focus of his distaff’s world [two Keepers will ALWAYS fight] but when he tried to whip my father inside the house the twins would encircle him and take the blows themselves, unless the grandmother was present. She was 5’0 tall and less than 100 lbs. and old, but when she told her son ‘You ain’t gone touch that boy’, he didn’t touch that boy. He had to learn to take out his rage in other ways.

Luckily for my father, his father was also a Keeper, and he looked after his sisters and his own old maid aunts and his mother while my father joined the military, got an education, married and lived in town. Unfortunately for my father, his father died relative young survived by his sisters, his mother and his wife and the keeper responsibilities passed to my father. By this time my father was about 30, the aunts in their late 60s, his grandmother in her nineties and his mother, who made it clear that since she gave birth to him and wet nursed him with her very own black maid’s breast that he was to tend to her needs as well, was about 60 and about to retire. My father was living 40 miles away in Montgomery with his 21 year old wife of five years and trying to start a family (they had problems conceiving), but he still managed to make the 80 mile round trip at least twice per week. At first that was all that was really needed as his grandmother in her late 90s was extremely self-sufficient (she really only needed somebody to bring her groceries and supplies and occasionally take her to the doctor) and she was something of a taskmaster for the daughters- she made sure that they took care of the house and themselves as well, plus my grandmother (who lived in a separate house on the same farm) was even a modicum of help at first- she’d occasionally bring groceries home or at least make a phone call to my father to [the birthplace never had a phone]).

His grandmother remained in excellent health until her last few days of life and died at 100. Ironically his responsibilities became greater and not lesser with her passing, for the twins were now in their mid-70s and my grandmother in her mid 60s and retired and they all became far more demanding (the formidable Old Lady had kept them all largely in check). Now he had two pre-school age children and still lived 40 miles away and his phone was ringing constantly with “I need this” and “Kitty and Carrie need that” and “You need to get my roof fixed” and “My grass needs cutting” and “Kitty needs to get her dentures fixed”, etc.- literally sometimes several times per day. My father, caught in an almost impossible situation of having to care for the old women who had cared for him truly selflessly as a child (and for my grandmother). The twins were largely helpless (they couldn’t drive and wouldn’t have tried to learn if Elvis & Mary Kay had airlifted a brand new pink Cadillac into their drive), didn’t have and couldn’t use a phone, were becoming more feeble as they got into the tractor beam of 80, didn’t even pretend to clean house or try after their mother died and who lived in an un-air-conditioned house in the Bama heat and insisted on keeping their vegetable gardens and “ishing” in the woods and the like (which led to the occasional bee sting, snakebite [never poisonous, fortunately] and accident which led to their having to be transported to the doctor and then cared for afterwards]) and would not hear of moving to town with him or of, GOD FORBID, going to an assisted living facility (which was the same as the county poorhouse/psych-ward/drunk-tank in their minds), and my grandmother was not quite as helpless but she was evil and thoroughly selfish. My father, in his mid 30s, was going to his birthplace at least two nights per week and usually spending the night there on Saturdays, rarely seeing his wife and children, and it was causing major problems with the marriage (and my mother, love her though I do and many good qualities though she may have, has never once been said to suffer in silence).

Finally a compromise of sort was reached. My mother loved living in Montgomery and hated living in small towns or the country, she quite justifiably hated her mother-in-law with a purple Peloponnesian pederastic passion, and she and my father were having other problems in addition to my father’s Keeper commitments and just generally weren’t happy. However, both were of the mind that it’s far better to keep an unhappy marriage on a feeding tube than to pull the plug and salvage some happiness in life so they decided to “save the marriage” by selling their house in town, buying the interests of all other heirs (uncles and cousins) to the family home place (my father had more greedy uncles than Henry VI that he had to buy out with the last of my mother’s wrestling earnings , though he also had one uncle and one cousin who both gladly gave him their share of the place in appreciation for his Keeper duties) where he built a house and lived within a quarter mile of the Aging Ones.

In exchange for my mother following him into exile he swore a solemn oath (I am not speaking figuratively- there were candles and a dagger and a piece of vellum involved- the old man was nothing if not an appreciator of pageantry) that upon the death or other “final solution” of the old ladies he would sell all or at least most of the family farm and return to Montgomery or to wherever else he and my mother could agree on moving. (He personally dreamed of moving to New Mexico or Arizona.) My father was in his mid 30, my mother in her late 20s, the aunts were much older and it was even agreed that Grandmother could go to nursing homes once K&C were expired (though this was never shared with Grandmother), so they should still have time for a life together when the aunts were either dead or to the point that no reasonable person could deny the need for a nursing home (20 years, tops, they figured). So they built the house, relocated their children (another part of The Compact was that my siblings would never go to public school in the county the farm was in) and moved in on the day JFK was shot.

Speeding ahead a bit: Soon there were two new arrivals to the family: me in 1966 and a lobotomized third aunt shortly after who was also totally helpless. My mother never grew to love or even like the place, but she kept her part of the compact, though the marriage was tremendously unhappy and the Pope himself would have come to perform the divorce, but for all the bad you can say about my mother she made the biblical Ruth look like Anna Nicole when it came to her husband’s relatives.

In 1982 my father died of a heart attack, prematurely old at 55, and was of course survived by all of the old women he had moved back to be the Keeper. The youngest (Lucy Lobotomy) in her seventies while the others had graduated from Aging Ones to Ancient Ones, Grandmother in her 80s and the twins in their 90s and all of them apparently immortal. In his will he bequeathed everything but some college funds set up long before for his older two children (he never set one up for me because I was retarded) to his wife including “all property, real and personal, including household items, books, manuscripts, automobiles, livestock, monies due me and all other goods and chattel”. My mother fell into the position of Keeper for her in-laws and to this day says “Do you know what the word chattel means? It’s Latin for “a bunch of demanding high-maintenance incontinent old women who don’t bathe”.

After five V-E-RY L-O-N-G years the (by then three surviving) chattel were ensconced in nursing homes (there being ultimately no other alternative) and my mother returned (not happily- no money, lots of residual problems, etc.) to Montgomery. One problem followed another and I ended up living with or very close (five minute drive or less to) my mother for the next thirteen years until I was in my early thirties. Several of these years were spent sleeping on a 5 foot long sofa (I’m 6 feet tall) in the tiny airless living room of the 450 square foot 1 BR manager’s apartment of a 12 unit complex for schizophrenics. Those were interesting years in retrospect but not so much at the time. I delayed graduation from grad school for a semester so that I could sleep first in the waiting room outside and finally on the floor of her ICU room for a month and then be her caretaker during her long recovery. When I lived 4 hours away in Georgia I drove the 4 hours to her house at least twice per month and usually more often to make sure she was eating right, feeling okay, as happy as I could do anything about, and on weekends when I didn’t she was on the phone telling me how lonely she was (and that she couldn’t come see me because “it’s such a long drive”). I moved back to Alabama 85% because she was so unhappy that I was so far away and I’m about the only person who can bring her out of a funk.

One of the sad ironies of my mother’s life, incidentally, is this: I would never have been able to live with/near/spend so much freaking time with her had I been straight as I’d almost certainly have been married and had kids by now (women tend to be more forgiving of “fatties” than gay men are, not that I can’t be too bitchy as I tend to cast a wistful eye towards pretty boys myself). On the other hand, I would probably still live in the same city as her had she not had the reaction she did to learning (when I was 30) that I was gay. (The first academic job I was offered was in the same city she lives in [as do most of my friends] and it paid more than the one I accepted in a town I’d never heard of, and I’ve since turned down the highest paying job I’ve ever been offered mostly because it was within an hour of her house.) Petty and I’ll spend at least three and a half months in hell for it, but while I moved back to Alabama to be closer to her I will always keep at least 100 miles between her house and mine until she apologizes for the things she said in the first week of July 1997, which she never will. Oy.

Anyway, I got off light compared to my father in that I only have one (1) She Who Must Be Kept and that one knows how to use a telephone (oh boy howdy, don’t she though) and can drive and has her own income. I’m actually called in far more for moral support than any other reason (though for a decade I remained for financial support as well). I have pretty much accepted that while I’m within my current income level (i.e. unable to afford to take a flight whenever she gets sick or depressed or whiney) I’ll always have a hundred mile umbilicus connecting me to her. But here comes the part about the titular statement.

So, I’m currently writing a book about my family and my childhood. (It will be much shorter than this OP when it’s done, probably.) In so doing I’ve talked to my mother a lot about my father and comparing various memories and asking questions about a few gray areas from when I was very young or before I was born, etc., and of course my father comes up a lot. Even though I’ve gotten really personal a couple of times I think she actually enjoys my “research”; she’s not that old compared to most of our older relatives (she’s 71) but she’s in iffy health and still smokes decades after she should have quit and it’s basically time to make sure that black box is waterproof if you want a record to survive.

So we’ve talked several times about my father’s Keeper duties and how they affected his marriage and his paternal roles and in general ruined my mother’s life and those of her children. She also she acknowledges that her “Lucy without Ethel and on acid” own stunts (the suicide “attempts” and terrifying tempers and her Manic Mama Machiavellianism and the like {which I’ve agreed to downplay a bit in the writing in exchange for her cooperation with a clear proviso that should she die I can put them back in} also made things a wee bit unhappy at times-

[My father to me and my sister on the front porch ca. 1980: “That uh… shot you heard… well, your mama’s either in the bathroom having a BM and just shot the gun out the window trying to fuck with us, in which case she’ll be okay like she always is when these things pass and in there cooking supper like nothing’s wrong, or she really did it this time and just blew her brains out and I’m gonna have to break down the bathroom door again, in which case we’ll have dinner at Little Sam’s Café in Wetumpka”]

but these things were clearly and obviously 95% attributable to my father’s selfishness [her exact figure]).

Anyway, she is still very bitter over (the kid in first grade who pulled her hair once and) my father’s always deferential attitude towards the Ancient Ones. “I am convinced that his family of origination meant more to him ultimately than his family of generation, exactly the reverse of how it should be.”

Now, my mother has never seen the slightest bit of symmetry between my father giving up so many weekends and evenings to tend to his mother and aunts and my giving up so many weekends and evenings to go be held hostage by her, because I’m not married and I don’t have children so she’s really doing me a favor. I will admit the lack of kinder does make a huge difference, but even so- I couldn’t estimate to within a hundred how many weekends I’ve gone home when I really didn’t want to or how many miles I’ve put on my cars going to see her, and I’ll be the first to admit that it’s ultimately with my consent.

On the other hand, in one of our bloodier arguments it was made a bit more clear than usual the extent to which I’ve inherited my father’s role with her. It was just before I came out to her (or rather, just before she found out I was gay), when I came in about 8 a.m. on a Saturday morning, having called the night before and told her “I’m staying at a friend’s tonight”. When I came in she had clearly not been to sleep and she was immediately began raising 18 kinds of hell because I spent a night away from home at the tender age of 30. Admittedly I think she was beginning to suspect that my friendship with Tim was more than that but she wouldn’t dare admit it out loud.

She insisted that I was “the most inconsiderate selfish human being who ever walked” and that I was “just embarassing me so with… whoever that… WHOOOOOOOAAAARE you were with was that I can’t hold my head up anymore!” and “I don’t ask you what you do or who you spend your time with, but you will please do me the courtesy of being here at night so the neighbors” [we knew one by name and she would not have given a damn] “won’t talk about me.” I meant to say “Mama, if you feel that way I’ll move out…” and it came out “OLD WOMAN I AM YOUR SON, AND NOT YOUR GODDAMNED HUSBAND AND I WILL SPEND MY NIGHTS WITH WHOM AND WHERE I WANT TO AND I DON’T GIVE AN AIRBORNE FORNICATION WHAT THE NEIGHBORS THINK!” which was much louder and uncharacteristic but on the other hand far less inflammatory than if I’d said the bit about moving out. She looked stunned and huffed off back to her bed “mumblin’ her commandments” and the incident was essentially forgotten (but not) later once I worked in a “I will not discuss my sex life in this house [which is not to say I’ve been having sexual intercourse and most in particularly I was not having with my boyfriend Tim in the back bedroom of the old house he rents on Hull Street with the green Carman Ghia out front-{and damn is that butt precious in the gaslight or what!}]” disclaimer during a quick sniper round, and then all was forgotten for about two weeks until she found out I was gay and all Hell broke loose and that was 9 years ago so let me get up to the present.

So, today I was talking to her on the phone. The subject of my father came up because I’m currently writing about him. Her comment on his ‘conflicted duties’:

It’s a warm day and I was on a cell phone in a car with sun streaking through the windshield and I literally turned cold and got goosebumps. Did I just hear that right…

I didn’t make a comment and I don’t think she realizes what she said. And perhaps it was just a misspeak, but… eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww. Uck… ewwww. And might I add, ewwwwwwwwwww…

So I was wrong, this wasn’t a really short OP at all.

But it is MPSIMS (Mundane Pointless Shit I May-get Sick-over). And God save all Keepers (who rarely it seems have Keepers of their own).

Sometime, if it’s not too painful, I would love to hear the story about how your mother found out you were gay. Sounds explosive.

Fabulous presentation.
And I get it completely. My mother was Keeper and, seeing what it did to her, my secret mortal dread is that I’m next. The twin dread being of course that there won’t be one for me when it’s time.

Isn’t life amusing?

It’s not painful, just LLLLLONG. In fact actually parts of it are hysterical (namely her “suicide attempt”- the frustration at realizing she was playing to an empty house- think Edina from AB/FAB as written by Tennessee Williams).

As always, brilliant. Just the right amount of bitchiness and compassion. You can use that on the back cover of your book, if you like. I meant it as a compliment of the highest degree. Printing it all up right now to share with people who GET stuff like this, family drama and adult guilt. I had a shit day, but this just got me out of a wonky mood and into a happy place. Thanks.

I’m the Keeper. I can see it looming before me, and the prospect ain’t pretty. When I finally, three weeks ago, at the overripe old age of 27, moved out of my parents’ house, it was following several months of threats, wailing, gnashing of teeth, you name it.

Every time they call me, or I call them, one (or both) of them asks when I’m coming home. I have no comebacks adequate to the task.

I’m a keeper and so is my husband.
His parents are harder work in their 60’s than my mom who is tettering on the edge of 80 and being sucked into the tractor beam of oh-these-things-happen-when-you-get-old-and-you-just-can’t-fight-it-so-I’ll-just-die-any-day-now-and-I-hope-the-grandkids-will-remember-me-after-I’m-dead-and-buried-oooh-Oprah’s-on!-gotta-go! At least with her it is fun in a twisted kinda way. The inlaws are still very big into the guilt based stuff which I grew out of and learned to ignore years ago.

I am not looking forward to the next 10-15 years at all. [size=1]The way I look at it is the minute I find a great job that suits me perfectly with nice pay and the kids are doing great and life is humming along…my mother will get seriously ill and require major daily care/visits and I’ll have to quit my job and sell her house to either have her move in with us and pay for an addition of a first floor bedroom complete with a catapult so that when she does kick off, I can fling her body into the protected wet lands across the road. That wouldn’t be wrong, would it? Which is why I never plan on having a decent happy job. If I get a suck-your-soul-out-of-you-job-wiht-shit-fer-pay, she’ll never get sick. Right?[/sick]
Oh, and my mom is the Keeper for my last brother, who is 47. I’ll give her some major slack.

Well hell, you can’t just drop these hints and then leave!

And so you ARE writing a book? Well, count yourself one reader right here.

My mom is the keeper in her family, and it’s torture on her. Grandma (her mom) is 84 years old and pretty self sufficient, but doesn’t like to be by herself. And she doesn’t drive anymore. So mom drives 50 miles round trip at least once a week to take Grandma shopping, take her to a movie, fix things around the condo, etc. Mom just had knee replacement surgery, so this arrangement is going to be a problem for the next month or so.

I’m the keeper in my generation, but fortunately my parents (at 66 and 60) are still very active and don’t need keeping at the moment.

Glad to hear you’re writing a book, Sampiro. I’ll definitely buy a copy when it comes out. :slight_smile:

I’m the only child. By that I mean not only that I’m the only spawn of my parents, but also that I’m the only person currently over 10 and under 35 with any vague resemblance of a blood relation who gives my parents the time of day. I am most certainly the Keeper, although thankfully only for my parents. I don’t imagine anyone will Keep me, as there’s nobody younger than me in my family who I know particularly well (I often wonder if I should move northeast to solve this problem) and I hope to never ever have offspring.

That said, even though I got the finicky underappreciative parent I thankfully will probably miss out on most of the troubles your family have given you so far.

Your writing is brilliant and beautiful, Sampiro. Please keep us posted on the progress of the book.

Uh-oh.
I couldn’t think of who my family’s “keeper” would be.
Then I realized.
It must be me.

:smack:
Now that I think about it, its all coming together now…

My father-in-law was one of two children, and his brother was the favored one of their mother. The brother was spoiled and wasn’t disciplined as much, but turned out to be a relative failure at making a living, constantly asking family for “loans” and such. My FIL ended up being pretty successful, conversely. (My husband thinks his uncle was much better at being a father, however.) So contrary to what one might expect, my FIL became the Keeper. She died in the FIL’s home when my husband was a pre-teen, IIRC, after living with them for years and being whittled away by cancer.

Now my FIL has treated his body like crap for decades - though he did actually stop smoking, perhaps his mother’s death taught him that much - and has atrial fibrillation, had a heart attack then stroke about 3 years ago, and early this month went into the hospital with advanced pneumonia that he’d put off dealing with. While in the hospital he had a hematoma pressing on his kidney, another stroke, and a pulmonary embolism. He’s currently in rehabilitation. My MIL is half-ecstatic that she gets time alone, half freaking out because she’s never had to do anything for herself and isn’t totally sure how. She couldn’t even pay bills because she hasn’t written out checks and I don’t think she’s on their checking account.

(My FIL had made a big deal after his last stroke about having his lawyer daughter write up a living will, financial power of attorney, etc. Then he never signed them, so they had to wait for him to be able to write again after his stroke for him to pay the bills, like his insurance premiums.)

We’re all kind of wondering about when someone is going to be pushed into a Keeper role. I swear I will commit violence if it falls on our heads.

Sorry to hear about your mom’s weird-out comment there. At least the worst my FIL has ever done is claim he’s been like a father to me. Um, no.

Halfway through the OP, I thought, “Sampiro should write a book, damn this is good!” I’m glad that you actually are. I was riveted. Please let me know where I can get a copy when it comes out.

Also, what did you mean about your mom having spent her “wrestling money”? Is that an idiom with which I am not familiar, or was your mom really The Fabulous Moolah?

Ah, Sampiro, seeing your stories makes me want to tell some of mine. My relatives are about as eccentric as yours, but with more shootin’ people and illegitimate children.

IIRC from previous threads, she was indeed a Professional Female Wrestler for a time, although she doesn’t like to talk about such things.

Finish the damn book. You’ll have Dopers throughout the world selling it on street corners, flagging down cars, making JWs of themselves.

I was just on the phone for an hour with my daughter, who is staying with my FIL since my MIL died in March. Luckily she goes to grad school in August, so she has an end date. He’s annoyed that my wife isn’t coming - despite the fact that she has gas in her eyes from the third attempt to tack down her unruly retina, and her eye would explode if she got on a plane. Since she’s an only child, she doesn’t have a choice.

gosh.

I never thought about that.
First I wondered if my spoiled baby sister is meant to be the keeper and if that’s why she’s so spoiled.

Then I realized: nah. She won’t be able to take care of a hamster when she’s an adult, much less our parents. She’s just spoiled becuase she’s cute.
Then I realized: I’m the keeper. I’m the one they’re depending on to become a doctor or lawyer and become rich so that I can support them. They joke about it all the time.
Screw that. call me heartless, but I’m moving to England or Italy or New York and becoming a legend and living in a gigantic house that’s way too big for one person and I’m never. looking. back.

I think I’m the Keeper in my family, just because I’m unmarried at the moment. My sister is actually better suited tempermentally and personality-wise, but she lives three states away and has a husband and kids. I recently got dumped by a guy who, had things worked out, would have taken me off to Colorado to live, and I could have escaped Keeper-hood. I think I was angrier about losing that escape hatch than I was about losing him…though losing him was incredibly hard, and I didn’t even realize he was an escape hatch until after I was dumped. I’m not going to be a very good Keeper, I fear. And someone should be much better behaved toward me and mine right now if she expects me to be the Keeper.

kittenblue, moving to Colorado would not have helped. I did it in 1991, and they all just followed me, except for The Sausage Creature and one niece (but give that one time).

Yup, I have parents, sister and husband (they are helping with the Keeping of the parents, thankfully), and another daughter with 2 kids who has just become self-supporting at the age of 32 all living here.

I told hubby that we’re moving to Florida. :stuck_out_tongue: