“Applicants must be able to communicate ************ Christian values and demonstrate a quality of spiritual life that is an example to others. This is a part-time position. For consideration, please apply online at **************”
this is straight out of a job description I came across, I can’t believe it’s leagal to dictate someones religeon and lifestyle in a job requirement.
if its relevant this is Washington state.
Depends. What kind of job is it?
Priest.
But still …
I suppose thats relevant, no its a Warehouse position, pretty basic stuff.
Now that was timing.
Thank you, Thank you. Jack will be here all week.
I don’t think “Christian values” necessarily mean that the applicant must be a Christian. However, if you replace “Christian” with “Satanic” and “spiritual” with “demonic”, would you still have an issue with their need to be selective?
Well, what kind of “warehouse”? If it’s a Christian bookstore/warehouse, then no, it’s not out of line.
I don’t think it’s legal to discriminate on the basis of religion (or lack thereof.) Are you interested in this job and were turned down because you didn’t meet their religious criteria? Or are you just curious in a “This doesn’t sound right to me” kind of way?
I’m not sure I’d want to work in a place where you needed to display Christian values. But, some Christians may not mind.
I just wonder whose Christian values they’re talking about ie Jimmy Carter’s or Fred Phelps’s?
yes I would still have a problem if it was satanic and demonic.
its a friggin supply warehouse for homedepot or some such.
yes I am interested, the hours are Exactly what I need and I have experience in everything they are looking for. I just aint Christian nor do I exhibit a quality spiritual life.
like finding work isnt hard enough FUCK!
You do realize there’s a huge difference between “Home Depot” and “some such,” don’t you? In any event, it doesn’t appear they’re asking you to be a Christian, just not to have any untoward activities in your life during the period of your employment. Sounds a lot like a “morals” clause.
ok I went ahead and applied anyway, I mean what the hell unemployment isnt that big of a drain on my time.
after sending my app there was a second page with one question…are you a christian? yes no
and no I dont see much difference between homedepot and some such, a warehouse that supplies home repair type stuff is pretty much like al the others who do the same thing. stuff comes in, gets put away, orders are filled, checked and shipped. thats how it works.
what do they expect me to say a prayer everytime I hop on the forklift?
all I want is a job, one where I get paid actual money for work. why is it that all the damn jobs I CAN do have some requirement that I can’t ?
Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers
Sue the bastards if they reject your application. They seem to be begging for it.
Legality aside, do you really want to work for people that have their heads so far up their asses that this ad sounded like a good idea to them? For the record, I think this kind of thing completely stinks, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We seem to be living in an age where discrimination is not to be done, but reverse discrimination is a-okay.
ps - By reverse discrimination, I mean discriminating against the reverse of the people who have traditionally been discriminated against. Like the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other.
How exactly would this qualify as “reverse discrimination” though, featherlou? It’s not as though Christians are a disadvantaged group in the States.
**Critical1 wrote:
this is straight out of a job description I came across, I can’t believe it’s leagal to dictate someones religeon and lifestyle in a job requirement.**
If it’s a privately owned corporation or business, they can set whatever standards of conduct and hiring they want, I believe.
If, as a requisite for employment, you must believe that space fairies from the planet Neptune come each night and dance on your nose for 36 mins, then it’s perfectly legal to do so.
Of course, if their requirements are illegal actions; such as murder, robbery, assault, etc, then yes, those requirements are illegal.
Do you have any idea who owns this business you’re speaking of?
Wrong. See Squink’s post above.
Unless one’s religion is an actual requirement for the job (say, being Jewish to be a kosher butcher, or Catholic to be a canon lawyer, or whatever) then it gets the same protection as one’s ethnic background or gender.
Good call on that, ruadh. I was trying to figure that out myself. What I think I’m trying to say (and this is why I stay out of Great Debates) is that we have laws to protect special-interest groups from being discriminated against, but the reverse (ie special-interest groups discriminating against other people) doesn’t seem to hold true.
of course the company involved must have (according to the link) 15 or more employees, so if it’s a 4 person company, that law (other state laws may) will not be in effect.
dopers,
i went to work for *-- (they did not invent the chicken…) years ago and they (company reps) came on so strong with the “good christian” stuff that i got freaked out and walked off the job, they wanted me to include the company “in your prayers” and “pray for good business so we can all prosper” and all managers meetings were kicked off with group prayers, it was scary.
unclviny