You are assuming that the “loser men” in fact get dates (albeit with “loser women”).
I rather suspect that in reality a proportion of men and women in our society effectively do not date at all for various reasons, and that the market for such dolls will mostly be drawn from this group.
And i suspect the number of people who do not date at all would increase dramatically amongst men which would royally screw a lot of women who would have otherwise found partners.
There is where I disagree. I see the cause-and-effect relationship quite differently.
I simply do not think that any significantly large proportion of guys otherwise able to have a sexual and romantic relationship with a real woman would forego that in favour of a sex toy, however elaborate.
Yeah, and I still say you’re wrong. Selfishness implies that there’s some sort of responsibility or obligation that is being avoided, which do not exist in this case.
Bahh…
Lots of men put up with womens shit so they have a decent fuck buddy. They pay out in blood, sweat, and tears to get laid. Hell, even for the promise of getting laid.
Women put up with mens shit so they get some protection, money and fucking.
If fuck bots are cheap enough and good enough, a fraction of men will go to that route.
Are the women going to find bots that give them money and protection in ADDITION to the fucking?
IMO, men will benifit more than women when the fuckbot/cloning revolution comes.
I for one welcome our new robotic overladies.
What is this I don’t even.
I know lots of guys like that. Sex isn’t that high a priority in everyone’s life, especially when jerking it is way less hassle and pretty close in quality.
The widespread use of realistic sexbots (which, like the coming Singularity – any day now! – seems a popular subject among middle aged white men) would increase the, if I may, haremization of society. Alpha males would be in heaven while low to middle brow class males stay at home with the bots. What’s the stat as is? Our ancestors are 70/30 female/male?
Well, the guys who don’t care about a woman’s feelings might prefer a real woman over a flawless imitation as a status symbol. Or for the nastier ones, because a fembot doesn’t actually suffer, but just fakes it. Or because they want children.
Really; outside of children there aren’t many good reasons for a man who doesn’t care about a woman’s feelings to prefer a real woman over a nonsentient machine. After all, if you think of women purely as sex objects, why not just get an actual object? And probably women are best off if men like that DO go off and fool around with machines instead of them.
Probably happen to a degree. But I think most men will prefer real women if possible, because most men DO care about women’s feelings. But only women who actually like them; I do think that sexdroids/simulated women have a good chance of forcing women who are manipulative or nasty towards men, to shape up or live alone; the sort of women who use the male sex drive as a tool. Just as liberal divorce laws, laws against rape and laws against spousal abuse help force men who act like control freaks or thugs towards women to either learn to act civilized or live without.
Men want kids. Sex bots aren’t likely to incubate and bear babies anytime soon, so men will continue to have to “put up with women’s shit” if they want to make families. Which, last time I checked, they still do.
Women can have children without attaching themselves to a man, and are increasingly doing so. Their dependence on men for money and protection is expontentially decreasing as well. But all things considered, men are just as dependent on women as they were 500 jabillion years ago. Fuckable dolls aren’t going to change that anytime soon. If that was even a remote possibility, why haven’t prostitutes and porn rendered wives and girlfriends obsolete? As enticing as your fantasy of socking it to The Woman is, I think it’s a crack pipe dream. Also, believe it or not, psychologically healthy men actually like women and don’t mind their company. I think you may be projecting your attitude towards women to other men in an unwarranted fashion and lending credence to the notion that these dolls have something to do with misogeny.
The only women who will likely be hurt by the Sexbot Revolution are prostitutes and strippers. And even in their cases, I doubt that they will really suffer, since part of the thrill is deluding yourself that the lady taking off her clothes really likes you. Only a crazy guy could fool himself into thinking an inanimate object is attracted to him.
You missed my part about cloning didnt you?
Or did you start typing before you finished reading?
I find it hard to believe that a woman who otherwise has enough clout to get away with nasty, manipulative behavior would be in the same league as 1) a man who screws dolls or 2) a man who would seriously contemplate doing such behavior in the long-term.
I find it harder to believe that a woman who acts this way would do anything but laugh at a guy who gave an ultimatum that essentially sounded like “stop being a bitch or I’m leaving you for Real Barbie”. There’s a lot of room between settling for a harpy and mating with a inanimate doll, and even a mean bitch from outer space can see that the nice, quiet Plain Janes should be strong contenders for a regular male’s affections if he’s simply sick of being manipulated.
I did miss that “clone bot” thing.
Just curious, are these clone bots supposed to be parents as well as sex toys and incubators? I find it hard to believe that an appreciable number of men could think a robot would be a suitable replacement for mothers, let alone lovers, and that going the cyborg route would be preferable to “putting up with women’s shit”. But the confidence in which you voice your ideas intrigue me.
What if he is just using it for romantic companionship like Ryan Gosling in Lars and the Real Girl? (The first role I think I’ve seen him in where he isn’t a total douche).
I don’t know anyone outside The Howard Stern Show who actually has a Real Doll. I do know a lot of guys who have frequented prostitutes. For the most part, those guys are not guys who can’t get laid or have a normal relationship with a woman. They are guys who either have no problem cheating when they are on a business trip Eliott Spitzer style or they are guys who just want as much sex as they can get and don’t care if it comes from one night stands, prostitutes or wherever.
Quite frankly I find the idea of a man who is unable to find any sexual outlet other than a Real Doll a bit creepy. If for no other reason they have one hell of an “uncanny valley” effect.
A woman just needs to be pretty ( not even stunning beauty; just fairly pretty ); it doesn’t take “clout”. As long as she’s dealing with men, mind; other women tend to be quite unimpressed.
I doubt he’d bother with an ultimatum. He’d just avoid her in the first place.
On another forum, I know a man who owns a Real Doll. He also hangs out on a Real Doll owner’s forum that served as a source for the writer of Lars and the Real Girl. His reason for owning one is that he moved to a very remote, and very low cost of living, area to write his book. A human relationship would prove a distraction, as well as costing a greater investment of time and money. Interestingly enough, he insists that he does not have sex with it. Instead, it serves as a physical representation of his “muse”. He’s also pretty insistent that it is not a “sex doll”, but a “love doll”. The film’s writer was sympathetic to this point of view, with Lars’ two cow-orkers, with their beloved action figures and Teddy bears. The only difference between them and Lars was one of scale.
In the immortal words of Charlie Sheen: “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.”
My concern is that hot nerdy boys with low self esteem will turn to these dolls instead of finding the men and women who love them (the nerdy boys who think they ‘deserve’ to instantly have sex with supermodels are welcome to swear off humans).
But what of the poor boys? They’ll be stuck doing this sort of thing (sort of NSFW, a music video for ‘You Have My Eyes Now’ by Clues).
Why would a pretty woman (who may not be stunning, but is attractive enough to still find a man despite having poor character traits) be with a man whose dating choices are limited to harpy bitches and dolls?
In my experience, men who settle for mean women aren’t just looking for sex; they want to feel loved and are afraid of being alone. So a doll would likely not do anything for them. They are too emotionally desperate to go that route.
Women who are sexually manipulative often gravitate to men who have something to offer monetarily and have status. These guys aren’t necessarily rich and famous, but they aren’t losers (or else she wouldn’t be with him). These guys wouldn’t need to settle for a doll because they’d probably be able to find plenty of attractive women who aren’t jerks.
I think the Japanese might object to that…
Do you have a problem with the Teddy Babes that I’ve brought up in past threads? They’re emphatically not the perfect replicas of women that RealDolls are (they’re plush stuffed toys that look like midget women. There are even – Og help us – furry and vampire versions. They definitely don’t have heartbeats and real-feeling skin, but you can get a range of realistic-seeming vaginas.
Because a man who can attract a nicer woman will prefer her?
That makes no sense; such a woman doesn’t love him.
But such women also go with “losers”, or any other man who will put up with them. There’s also a relatively limited number of high status men to go around. Most women, manipulative or otherwise have to settle for a man who isn’t.