So who is Ronan’s genetic father? Allen did not simply “date” Mia. They had a long term sexual relationship, he apparently fathered one child and adopted two others with Mia. And Soon-Yi was ten when he met her, and she told Mia that the affair began when she was 17, which is below the age of legal consent. She later pack pedaled on that statement.
Exactly.
What you describe is exactly what I’m assuming. Relationships that are not collaborative partnerships among equals are creepy, and going out of your way to highlight this aspect of the relationship is at the very least tone deaf. Add to that the other assorted creepiness, and you quickly approach maximum squick.
Again, not trying to argue whether he was or was not a parental-type figure to her. Assuming that he was just “a guy who dated her mother” and that she was of age when they met and that the relationship appears to be working because they have been together for 20 years, I still find it incredibly tone deaf that he would use the words he does. He has to know that the roots of the word paternal come from father and I think that he would want to run far away from and statements that portray them as anything other than equal partners.
Allen: I like the idea of fucking my daughter
Eh, but he makes good movies allegedly
Age of consent is 17 in New York.
Lots of good movies out there. I’ve chosen to skip those that Allen, Polanski, and a few other scumbags were involved with. Still will never see them all.
No to excuse the skeeviness of the situation, but just as a historical note I think the chances are 99.99 percent at this point that his purported bio-kid, Ronan Farrow, is actually Frank Sinatra’s bio-kid. He had no actual biological children with Farrow.
Woody Allen is not stupid and he’s spent the last forty years projecting a deliberate image of himself to the American public. He knows exactly what he’s saying. Draw your own conclusions about why he said it; I know I have.
Mia Farrow & Ronan are completely irrelevant to the OP.
IME, most marriages are not “collaborative partnerships among equals” if what he described is not that. Generally one person has more of the leadership or decision-making role (though sometimes each has that role for different spheres).
I’d say about 99.9% that RF is not Sinatra’s kid. Details don’t work out (per those who have looked at it). Apparently MF was just trying to say something hurtful.
Ummm… well I’d lose that bar bet based on this photohe looks like Sinatra 100X more than he looks like Woody Allen
He looks like his mother.
Maybe his MOTHER is Sinatra’s kid! :eek:
This statement seems extremely normative to me. Not everybody wants the same thing out of a relationship. Without going to the extreme of BDSM, in plenty of relationships, one of the partners indeed endorse a paternal or maternal role, that’s pretty common. You’re calling “creepy” a lot of people, here. And people who are pretty happy with their relationship, even if it happen to differ from your ideal.
In fact, “collaborative partnership among equal” just doesn’t ring well with “relationship” in my mind. It seems cold, intellectual, detached. It makes me think of a business agreement. I don’t find it creepy but…off-putting, maybe? But that might merely be a matter of vocabulary.
I had no clue how this kid or Sinatra looked like. After watching side by side the picture you linked to and this picture of Sinatra, I clearly know on whom I would bet my money if I had to decide whether Allen or Sinatra was the father.
Woody Allen’s movies say a lot about his massive insecurities. 
His massive insecurities have been his stock-in-trade for decades, so much so that IMHO a well-adjusted Woody Allen would be unknown and broke. 
He just doesn’t make movies that interest me, I’m not part of his demographic I guess
Look up a picture of his mother when she was his age. He’s a male version of Mia Farrow.
Being in a child-like relationship with your partner is physically, emotionally and financially dangerous, and even more so for any kids involved.
We have plenty of examples of places where women are considered the ward of their closest male relatives. Some of those relationships may be good, many of the women may be happy, but the whole dynamic is fundamentally problematic and doesn’t lead to great things.
And in Woody Allen’s case, of course, it’s just one layer of a huge creep collage. If you fall in love with a younger woman, hey, it can work. If you fall in love with your lover’s daughter, it’s a little weird but life is strange and love is love. If you have a paternal relationship with your wife, well, it takes all types. If you fall in love with someone barely legal, maybe you just met “the one” a little bit too soon.
But if you hit all four, there is a pretty good chance you are a Creepy McCreepster from Creepyville.
The eyes, around the eyes, and the nose are all Sinatra:
The end of the nose is so similar.
Funny thing is, none of Sinatra’s other kids looked much like him. Or at least not the ones we know about. (Although Frank, Jr., who looked more like Steve Lawrence when he was young, did eventually come to resemble his father somewhat as he gained weight and grew into middle age.)
Same thing with Schwarzenegger. The kid he fathered with his maid looks a lot more like him than the kids he had with Maria Shriver.
