“Hah! I always knew Frank would end up in bed with a boy!”
- Ava Gardner
What an utterly beautiful young man.
Smart people can’t say stupid things?
WRT Soon-Yi
How does someone have sex with a man who was having sex with their mother?
I don’t want to get too graphic but the thought of his parts going in me after they have been in my mother?
It feels almost incestuous.
The ICK factor would be too much for me to handle.
“He has His Father’s eyes!”
Emotionally, I can see it, but why physically and financially?
And I’m not sure why it would be dangerous in any way for the kids.
As far as I know, we aren’t in such places.
I always heard it this way:
After Sinatra married Mia Farrow, Gardner said, “I always knew Frank would wind up in bed with a little boy.”
Obviously Gardner’s comment was meant as an insult to Mia Farrow, not to allege Sinatra was a pedophile.
I used to feel sorry for Farrow because of that remark, until the last few years when I discovered what a conniving, mean, hateful, insane bitch she really is.
I suggest reading “Mr. S, My Life With Frank Sinatra”, by George Jacobs, Sinatra’s longtime valet who knew Farrow when Sinatra was with her. He and Farrow were friends and there doesn’t seem to be any indication his account was written to try to harm her to Woody Allen’s benefit. He describes quite clearly how Farrow dressed and behaved provocatively in order to seduce Sinatra, and he describes her plan to marry and have children by a succession of highly successful men of the arts, namely Sinatra, Leonard Bernstein, Picasso, J.D. Sallenger and Bob Dylan. (Bear in mind she was only 19 or 20 while hatching this insidious plan, having the idea in mind the whole time of divorcing one husband after the other while utterly unmindful of the hurtful effect it would have on the kids that resulted from these brief liaisons and the wrenching away from their fathers that would follow). This is one of the reasons I’ve come to believe Ronan Farrow is Sinatra’s kid. She apparently couldn’t pull off having kids by him while they were married so it seems she maintained an intimate relationship with him over the years and eventually managed to get herself impregnated by him, then forced Woody Allen to pay child support for him for 18 years.
And then of course there’s the fact that she almost certainly conned her poor daughter into believing Woody Allen molested her, a belief that seems to weigh heavily on this poor young woman to this day and appears to have pretty much ruined her life. Never before in Allen’s entire history had the slightest impropriety with children raised its head, and he in fact engaged in a series of longterm relationships with a number of intelligent full grown women, such as Louise Lasser and Diane Keaton, among others. Farrows story of the alleged abuse seems to have been inspired by a song written by Andre Previn’s ex Dory, called “With My Daddy in the Attic." It was on the same record as the song Dory Previn had written about Mia’s having betrayed their friendship by sneakily stealing her husband, André, “Beware of Young Girls.”
So she appears to have used a song written by a bitter ex-friend and ex-wife of one of the husbands she seduced in order to concoct a story to ruin an ex of her own.
I would suggest that anyone here interested in knowing more details of just how Mia Farrow has behaved in the aftermath of Allen’s affair with Soon-Yi up to this time read his published account here. I believe it to be factual, otherwise her lawyers would surely have had a field day with the claims he made in it.
My gf calls me “Daddy”. Before we met, I’d never had a father/parental role in her life.
This all is a fantasy perpetuated by people who don’t like rich, older people getting sex with younger people. The above elements, if elements of a relationship they be, are possible by meeting a complete stranger on the street just as easily.
BTW, what is ‘financially dangerous’? One can already see the fantastical in this post.
Bolding mine. “Fact” doesn’t like being abused that way.
It’s enjoyable to be in relationships with younger women where you can play the role of teacher or advisor. It’s fun to have them look up to you and turn to you for advice, and it’s fun to show them things and watch them grow. Hugh Hefner and Mick Jagger are two guys I’ve heard or read talk about part of what they enjoy about dating young women is showing/teaching them things.
I remember Hefner being asked how he felt at one of Playboy’s anniversary parties where tons of Playmates from previous years and decades were in attendance. He sort of laughed and he said, “Like a very proud papa!”, and Hefner’s women certainly weren’t children or child substitutes. Jagger has talked about how he enjoys teaching his girlfriends about music and art, wine, etc., and opening their eyes to some of the finer aspects to life they hadn’t known about before.
I think this is what Woody Allen was talking about when he used the term ‘paternal’. He wasn’t speaking in a sexual sense or as a throwback to his alleged previous role as her father. He was talking about taking her under his wing and showing/teaching her things and opening her eyes to aspects of life she hadn’t known about before.
And being a guy who, although a liberal by most measures, doesn’t seem to be in tune with political correctness or understand why his relationship with Soon-Yi should be scandalous, he just blurted out a word that seemed descriptive to him without realizing what it would sound like.
Yep, the new Fisher-Price line is amazing!
When you are financially dependent on someone, you are in a precarious position if something changes. And if you haven’t had a say in things like “I’d like to get a degree” or “I’d like to take this opportunity at work.”
I’m not against large age differentials, but I do think large power differentials are troubling and healthy couples work toward decreasing those gaps.
Sorry, mangled that last post, but you know what I mean.
I read this book. There is no corroboration for Jacobs’s accusations. He states that Bernstein is homosexual (he was not) and Dylan was an invalid recouping from his motorcycle accident (which he wasn’t). Farrow made no mention of this claim in her book What Falls Away.
Jacobs was fired by Sinatra, supposedly for going out dancing with Mia. He wrote his memoir after Sinatra died. And his past was hardly squeaky clean
Why exactly are you assuming that your partner having a paternal role means you aren’t working, aren’t getting a degree, are financially dependant or don’t have a say in your own life? 
You seem to have an extremely caricatural view in mind. You might be the main breadwinner and still seeking a paternal role in your partner. Both are essentially unrelated.
Ew.
FWIW, Mia Farrow may have been a bitch. But Woody wasn’t exactly Mister Rogers. If anything, they deserved each other.
Being financially dependent, especially on a romantic partner.
Re Bernstein I though it was pretty much accepted fact at this point that he was bisexual. Even his wiki references this at several points
I have to agree. Look at this pic. He is the spitting image of Sinatra.