Why would you be interested or want to see/read about such tragic atrocities :smack:
just asking
what has happened in the past is better off left in the past
.,.,.,.,.,.,What next.,.,., is what we should be talking about now
Well, if this were Mad Max world, then a Darwinian struggle among jihadi-type groups might lead to the kind of fiefdom that has staying power. But this isn’t that kind of world, or at least outside of the failed states it usually isn’t. The baddest jihadi group in the ME is dangerous for sure, but it ain’t shit in the long run, it will get bombed to kingdom come in the long game and will find itself unable to function. My magic 8 ball says that happens sometime after the fall of Assad.
It is Military Science 101. Their army is ~50,000 strong, equipped with plundered equipment in large part. They have determined and very powerful enemies who won’t allow them to persist. Their nastiness prompts the War Lobby to suggest that we need to spend $1 trillion and put our young men in harm’s way to deal with this. But we don’t. It sucks that there is a maniacal force conquering parts of the ME, spreading suffering and death everywhere they go, but geez, you don’t have to look hard for a precedent of that in the region.
The bombing campaign will whittle them away. They aren’t an industrial power that can just manufacture the full range of tank, artillery, or weapons parts, or you name it. They aren’t really running a state, and I don’t think they could ever stand up to the states set against them. They are like a rabid dog- very dangerous, but very, very sick. It gets shot. No need to start up a brass band or hand out medals or be very proud of shooting a sick dog, just pragmatically get it done.
(no, I haven’t read the ISIS-Israel links yet)
Dude, this one links to an NCIS page. You know that is a TV drama, no?
Not even an entertaining conspiracy theory.
I think the dtocare in your name is rather redundant.
Just saying.
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Nothing.
Just answering.
When’s the civil-forfeiture auction? 
I never implied that I or anyone here enjoys reading about atrocities, but I was asking for a link to back up the assertion that Abdul Karim Qassim was “worse than Saddam Hussein”.
Why is that so hard to understand or so shocking? :smack:
Islamist fighters drawn from half the world’s countries, says UN
The problem with “bombing” and “staying power” and having 10 aircraft carriers and about 60% of the worlds military capability is … these people come home again, trained, radicalised and equipped.
It isn’t about ‘over there’ anymore.
PBS aired an excellent documentary on Frontline last night-- Obama’s War. Anyone interested in this subject should take the time to watch it.
Excellent Frontline, “Obama AT War”, (not “Obama’s War” John).
Total horror for the Syrian people.
I’m thankful Obama is aware of the long term commitment, the American lives at stake, and the possible YEARS this could involve. Finally a president looking at the long game.
Indeed, much like how Chamberlain viewed the “long game.”
You are confused if you’re comparing ISIS to Hitler. They’re not in the least similar.
:smack: The comparison was actually between Obama and Chamberlain. Two leaders who ignored the existing, and looming, danger of a lying, sneaky, underhanded, murderous opponent.
Which is a ridiculous comparison. ISIS isn’t the “lying, sneaky, underhanded, murderous opponent” Hitler was. ISIS isn’t conquering two thirds of Europe, and the people ISIS is brutalizing won’t greet us as liberators if we destroy ISIS. We’ll just be creating another vacuum for another ISIS to form, potentially requiring us to have PERMANENT troops and PERMANENT casualties from the ongoing strife we’d be trying to quell. So no, Obama is not anything like Chamberlain…Obama is keeping us out of an endless, expensive quagmire.
That’s an even worse comparison. When did Obama meet with the leader of the so-called Islamic State and grant concessions? And we’re (the US) not even part of the Middle East to begin with. AND… Obama is taking direct action against them, even if you think it’s not enough.
This is not our war. We shouldn’t even be doing what Obama is doing in the first place.
What just amazes me is how poliannaishly naïve, how cluelessly forgetful, how BLIND these hawks are for calling for more involvement. Do they really think that once we’ve thrown water on the bad witch ISIS that the villagers are going to sing and get right back to there quiet village lives and they’ll be thankful and happy and content?
They had already labeled us “Occupiers” and accused us of all kinds of horrors. Suicide bombers were regularly smashing into the (12 foot cement) walls we had to build around our military compounds. Nothing we did helped alleviate the violence of the Sunni/Shia religious hatred. There was a continuous bombardment of our troops and civilians by “martyrs”. We were the great “occupier” for them to martyr themselves for. Corruption was rampant.
This involvement the hawks are calling for has ongoing, expensive, deadly quagmire written all over it. It’s unbelievable the willful ignorance, the stupidity to forget WHAT JUST HAPPENED THERE. To believe we can go in, straighten things out, put doilles under all the nick-nacks and make it all pretty and leave is just plain crazy. We would be STUCK there indefinitely, with our men and women being killed and injured over and over, and trillions needed to keep it all going.
They aren’t good guys either. So far they have executed literally thousands of prisoners, from soldiers captured fighting them to anyone who even looks like they will oppose them to just folks who disagree with their religious philosophy or are in a different sect. They have a system of systematic rape in place, have intentionally targeted archeological sites to destroy any history they disagree with, and are pretty brutal in just about everything they do across the board (including burning folks alive, extreme torture that would make an American CIA torturer blanch, rape and just about anything else you can imagine). I agree, they aren’t Hitler or Germany…but they are still pretty bad guys and they are doing some horrific things.
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This is not our war. We shouldn’t even be doing what Obama is doing in the first place.
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I disagree that we are doing to much now. I think Obama is taking the right tact on this. We are providing air support to forces engaged on the ground and probably some training and intelligence, and that’s pretty much it. It’s up to the Iraqi’s to fight on the ground and either push ISIS/ISIL out or not without us to prop them up. At some point they are going to need to come to terms with the issues between their Shia majority and their Sunni population and the history between the two and integrate the Sunni’s back into governing the country and having a stake in fighting for the concept of Iraq…or not, in which case they will eventually fall.
Yes, Obama’s War. RP.
This is the actual title of the docu:
“Obama’s War” is a 2009 Frontline docu about Afghanistan.
“Obama AT War” is the 2015 Frontline docu.