Wow Font, maybe you mean American Christians? y’know like American Muslims are ok but the foreign ones with their primitive, brutalistic beliefs are pure pagan evil?
I mean you really nailed it with the institutionalized child rape and such, it must say its ok in the koran because it sure happens often enough. And if any muslim said the same about the Catholic Church then they’d be wrong, because even though it happens frequently, those aren’t really Christians. It’s ok to make gross generalizations about other cultures because we are Christians and that means we are right. I mean the fact that the Catholic Church is finally having to answer some tough questions about the way it handles child-molesters has nothing to do with the secular society we live in that allows us to question such monoliths.
Oh ya, and those African Christians who still practice female circumcision because of the procedure’s cultural and social significance aren’t really Christians either are they?
What really blows my mind after going through this thread is that many muslims would pass judgement on the US just as quickly. If you think popular culture pisses off religious leaders here just imagine what someone who thinks women should never be seen would think.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 5 cites after 3 mintues with a search on BBC. Please, try for more on Google.
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You will find a lot of those who disagree with you on this board, and that in fact the Chruch encourges and sanctions child molestation, by covering up “insidents”, and defending preists.
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Your stupidity continues. Female circumcision is a tradisional pratice that Christian, Muslim, animist, and Jewish groups have all have in common.
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I read about it. You see, that is the difference between you and me. I read, and I educate myself. While you are stupid, and defend your stupiduty. All the while not having a clue as to what you are saying.
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1, 2. If you weren’t so stupid you would know that Modern day Slavery (from sex slaves to common workers) is found every where (There are even rings in the USA). 3 - If you are bothering to read this, Here is a good site about modern day human trafficing.
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No, you are an ignorant fool, who seems to think that your rednecked stupidity is some sort of replacement to a well thoughtout and prepared opinion.
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No, I compare Modern Islam to Modern Christianity/Animists/Judaism/Humans.
hate speech is protected speech. It’s funny… say horrible things about democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives…and it’s political discourse. say the same stuff about a religion and it’s de facto “hate speech.” I’m not calling for the lynchings of all muslims. we just needa get rid of islam. that’s all.
Efrem, you may NOT call people “stupid” or “fools” in GD. This is not an appropriate forum for personal insults, and I hope to never see them again from you.
Milroyj, please just only email us if you see a possible issue; leave the moderating to the Moderators.
Please read at least something about this practice. A journal prahaps? If you had, you would have found about how many countries practice FGM.
For instance in Ethiopia (and sadly Eritrea too) FGM is practiced by an estimated around 90% of the population. This is across the board including Animists, Muslims, Christians, and Fashalas (Jewish) alike. FGM is a practice that does stop at any one border, country, or religon.
In case people want to read more, here is a basic fact sheet about FGM put out by WHO. To say this is just another evil Muslim practice is stupid and ignorant.
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I was under the impression that “stupid” and “ignorant” are the same.
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What they are ignorant, and have been acting foolishly. I geuss it’s all objective.
FGM is a cultural accretion that was probably practiced in ancient Pharaonic Egypt ( and has been ever since ) and is primarily found in the large belt of Africa just south of the Sahara - i.e. the Sahel, West Africa, and Horn of Africa - but not southern Africa. It also has some independant ( pre-Islamic ) roots in parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, and a few other places ( but is far less common in those regions ). It is pretty much unknown in most of the rest of the Muslim world.
It seems clear from the debate so far, that people such as Kalt and Font are completely entrenched in their hate-filled views ofI Islam and Muslims. They have been fed so much racist Hollywood and pseudo-academic garbage throughout their lives that they are now apparently incapable of seeing us as anything other than bloodthirsty, wild-eyed, misogynistic, paedophile fanatics who want nothing more than to kill infidels. Some people, it seems, are beyond reasoned debate.
However, as a practicing Muslim, I would never be able to forgive myself if I didn’t at least try to address some of the gross errors and misconceptions I’ve seen put forward as hard fact in this thread. Lord knows I’m no scholar, but I’ll try my best, and May Allah forgive me for any mistakes I make…
First of all Font and Kalt, Muslims are not animals, and neither does our scripture teach us to behave as such.
Female Circumcision is not a part of Doctrinal Islam, it is a particularly nasty cultural practice, and is not taught in the Quran or Sunnah.
Secondly, Women have the right to divorce in Islam, just the same as men. Forced or “arranged” marriages are also prohibited - a woman must concent to marry of her own free will. I won’t go too much into the status of Women here, as the OP was about violence
Third, while fornication and adultery are considered grave sins in Islam (as they are in Catholicism), being the victim of a rape is not. Nowhere in our scripture does it say that such victims are to be excecuted.
Fourth, prostitution counts as Adultery/fornication, and is therefore completely prohibited in Islam. I don’t know what they get up to in Iran, but there is no such thing as a “sinless visit” to a prostitute.
Fifth, where on earth did you get the ridiculous idea that paedophilia and sex slavery were promoted or even tolerated by Islam? Good God, just how evil do you think we are?
Finally, I wish that Kalt, and those like him who feel that Islam should be wiped out, could come to the UK and spend some time living in and among the Muslim families of my community. Please note that we promise not to kill you or sell your female relatives into slavery as concubines in some Harem. Maybe you’ll change your mind about us when you see how we try to make kindness and compassion a part of our daily lives, or when you see how we go on organised marches and demonstrations to protest perceived injustices, rather than beating innocent bystanders to death. We are certainly not “Fake Muslims”, any more than the non-violent Dopers of other faiths on this board are “fake Jews” or “fake Christians.”
I realise my efforts here may have been futile, but if I’ve convinced even one person on this thread that we’re not savages, maybe they not be entirely so…
[ignoramus]Ooh, but Damascene, you’re in the minority of Muslims who don’t want to see us all dead! I know this because I’ve never met any Muslims, and the ones I see on TV scare me! I demand that you explain why fake Muslims like you don’t rise up and defend Westerners against terrorism![/ignoramus]
I fully expect Kalt’s head to explode when he reads your post, Damascene. Thank you for your effort and patience.
**Monty, ** please elaborate; I posted a question about this practice ages ago, and never got a very complete answer. (I was honestly confused at the time, as an Iranian marriage certificate crossed my desk at work which read “Type of Marriage: Permanent,” which made me wonder just what leads a person to enter into a marriage with advance knowledge that it would be anything else?)
The term is muta. A man and a woman contract in marriage for a certain period of time, with the understanding that, when that time is up, the marriage is dissolved, without prejudice to either party. The Caliph Umar banned the practice, but Shi’ites don’t consider the ban authoritative.
It’s a way to live together and have sex without, on the one hand, having illegal sex out of wedlock, and on the other, facing the pressure of expecting to be together for life. The theological justification was that it was allowed in pre-Islamic Arabia and Muhammed never banned it, and also, to quote the Christian author Paul of Tarsus “It’s better to marry than to burn.”
It’s really a mutual problem, the Times says. Muslims demonstrated their enmity by killing this poor woman. Christian evangelists demonstrated their enmity by getting in the way of the bullets. A perfect parallel. :rolleyes: