Israel shocked at Swedish tabloid's freedom of speech

Look upthread. That precedent was already set, when Iran did ask Sweden for an apology over the Mohammad cartoons – and got one.

At least as a matter of image, it seems like the Swedish government ought to explain why it’s handling this incident differently.

According link the apology to Pakistan amounted to ‘I’m sorry if the publication hurt muslim feelings.’
It was wrong to give Pakistan that much then, just as it would be wrong for the current government to condemn the article or apologize to Israel now.

Sweden’s image is less likely to be tarnished by Jews ranting than by Iranians exploding?

The situation is different, the drawings hurt some peoples feelings, to express regret that this was the case didn’t infringe on the freedom of the press (or so it seem to me).
To even regret that feelings have been hurt will have severe repercussions if what the article hint, however improbable, is proven fact some day.

Also note that our FM at that time, Laila Freivalds, was forced to resign due to her handling of the Muhammed crisis, and that the CotC statements came after that. Well, it was apparently on her own volition, but she had said that the situation had become completely untenable for her to continue in that role.

So it can be said that the current stance is due to the legal clarifications from the aftermath of the Muhammed event, and that our current Ambassador overstepped her bounds with her statements. Unfortunate, but not grounds for sidestepping it further.

I think if you ask her personally, that is her opinion. That she personally distances herself from the allegations. In her role as Ambassador it was however wrong to express that.

Despite those mistakes, I see Israel’s actions as severely overreacting and their anger misdirected. I mean, c’mon, risking diplomatic relations with a friendly nation over an independent private paper’s op-ed article? Restricting movement of Swedish journalists in Israel. Death threats? Boycotts? To me it seems very much out of place for a country like Israel.

Damn, they are on to us. :stuck_out_tongue:

This misrepresents what I posted. I said that the pictured incision is not typical of either autopsy incisions or those made for organ harvesting.

The burden of proof for accusations such as these lies upon the persons making them.

A sensationalistic remark that has no demonstrated basis in reality. He has no idea what was “cut up”, merely a photo of some person with a sutured incision.

No, quite a few backers of conspiracy theories do this nudge-nudge wink-wink charade of throwing out various theories and dubious shreds of evidence while piously proclaiming their objectivity.

Um, any explanation of how he managed to get right up next to a body that the Israelis were supposedly eager to get in the ground under blackout conditions and seal in cement to conceal their perfidious activities, while somehow managing to take flash pictures without getting “disappeared” himself and winding up with heart, liver, kidneys and various other organs removed and transplanted into Israelis flashing huge wads of cash? Any word on why none of the U.N. officials who supposedly are convinced of this wouldn’t go on the record? Or why there’s been no Palestinian forensic investigation? Or why he didn’t take his big scoop to a respected major media outlet instead of Tabloid Trashiskoe Svenska? :dubious:

Since when has the Israeli government made death threats?

Tell you what; it was easy enough to find him to ask him the first question. Why don’t you look him up yourself and ask?

That was a joke on his part, of course.

I didn’t mean to imply that their government has made death threats, I merely intended to draw a parallel between the Muslim people’s reaction and the Israeli one, the Muslim reactions often being criticized for their savagery. I understand that there are just some crazies responsible for those threats, and crazies exist everywhere.

Pretty cool that you managed to get an answer. I’m sure his mailbox is quite full after all this.

What does it look like to your experienced eye (no irony intended)? The incision look too extensive for treatment for shot wounds. Is it autopsy, embalming or organ harvesting? It start at the jaw, would something in the neck be needed for either?

Are you sure its a flash picture? The shadow look more like a searchlight to me.

Yeah, I was expecting not to hear back from him for a couple of days; less than half an hour blew my mind.

I don’t know - but let’s all guess organ harvesting!

It would make more sense for an autopsy (though Y or U-shaped incisions are traditional in Western countries for this purpose). Needing to extend a neck incision that high is unusual for an autopsy but even more so for a medical procedure i.e. organ harvesting. We don’t transplant thyroid glands or carotid blood vessels.

Really? Could be. “Hey Yitzhak, shine a powerful searchlight on that body so the tabloid reporter who we’ve allowed within a couple feet of the body can take photos to document the evil things we’ve been doing!!” :confused:

OK, we get it’s unusual. Would a simple vertical incision of that length be a hindrance to the removal of internal organs or an autopsy?

This is maybe the easiest question of the thread to answer, though I’m making a guess. What civilian Israelis would be willing to return a corpse to a Palestinian neighborhood where the locals are convinced he was murdered by the Israelis? It wouldn’s surprise me if they delivered him in an armored personnel carrier among a column of tanks.

Well where would you be shining the searchlight? Maybe in the opposite direction to where the work was taking place?

I expressed my point badly. Why return the body at all? Wire concrete blocks to the ankles and dump it into the Med.

Or incinerate :dubious:?

Or put it under the concrete slab in some settlement construction.

Jimmy Hoffa, meet your new neighbor Yassir.