Coldfire, your analyses here are basically accurate and thoughtful.
My two cents is also that you should cease referring to “the Jewish lobby” when you mean “the pro-Israel lobby” (which as noted includes many individuals of other religions and even some of no particular religious persuasion at all).
I mean, you wouldn’t want to unnecessarily draw attention to that sinister cabal in the U.S. that seeks to manipulate the price of lox, compel makers of canned foods to code their products with secret rabbinical symbols, force NBA teams to draft Jewish players etc.
You should have seen a documentary on 60 minuttes some months ago.
Bush got over a million emails from this group when he told Israel to withdraw from a place they hadde occupied
Hey, don’t sweat it, you’re not disagreeing with me, but with your esteemed Central Intelligence Agency, from whom I got my information that Egypt was in “Northern Africa, bordering the Mediterranean Sea, between ibya and the Gaza Strip”.
Alrighty, Naxox, we’re getting somewhere. You’re mad because Nethaniahu (I’m sure I fucked that up) wants Israel to be part of the EU.
OK. First off, Bibi does probably not speak for all Israelis, or even the Israeli government when he says this. Secondly, the EU decides which member states it will allow, and given Israel’s current politic climate, there is no way in HELL they would be admitted. No American pressure (fictional or real) can change that.
As far as the European Union not expanding beyond the European continent, well: as stated, continental borders are arbitrary to an extent. Who would have thought, ten years ago, that the Baltic states would become member states? Yet they will join in a few years time. We used to call that part “the East Block”, yet a decade later, we welcome them as brothers.
It could be argues that Israel is more European than Middle-Eastern, culturally. At least, when looking at the Israelite population of the country. However, reality is a little more complex than that. Israel will certainly not join the EU in the foreseeable future, and their geographic location is the least important reason why not.
I don’t remember it being called the Pedantic European Union. For crikey’s sake if other nations want to get in on it what is the big problem?
French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe and La Réunion are all parts of the EU (they are overseas departments of France) and they are nowhere near the geographic parameters of Europe. I know they are not separate nationstates but i believe if we can accommodate them why not other nations that are not blessed with being part of Continental Europe.
Mogiaw
again, you are wrong
Egypt is situated in Africa. It lies at the junction of
Africa and Asia. It is a part of the Great Sahara Desert
which occupies nearly half the northern part of Africa. A
fraction of Egypt lies in Asia also.
Geologically, Coldfire is right. The major fault boundary sails up the Red Sea, but hangs a right to follow the Gulf of Aden and goes up through the Dead Sea
another thing is that the arab and muslim world might see such a membership as if EU are expands it’s border outside Europe in into their territory.
I can see that they might fear this and they might see it as a modern crusade.
Naxox_dec.2002, you’re just a brain dead, stupid, uncircumcised schmuck. Now go back to your remedial geography and mp3s you’ve stolen away on your harddrive and shut the hell up.
What on Earth are you talking about? Do you really think that the US can put pressure on the EU to admit a new country? C’mon, kid, you can do better than that.
Not according to what I was taught in school. Cuba is part of the Caribbean (West Indies for some) not Central America. Apparently each country has taken it on itself to divide America in a different way. And BTW, are you sure that the I in CIA stands for “intelligence”. I have my doubts.
I have noticed that while you guys are discussing about geography, geology and whatnot the OP’er is going in a different direction. He seems rather clueless. Are you all talking about the same thing?
Hang on, guys. Would someone provide a cite that says Israel wants to join the EU? I can’t imagine that A) Israel would want to, and B) That the EU would even consider it.
My understanding is that Israel has been invited to join the "Western Europe and Others Group’ (WEOG) in the United Nations. Technically, Israel is supposed to be part of the ‘Asian Regional Group’, but the Arab nations have blocked Israel from joining - the only country of its stature in the world that doesn’t have UN representation.
Israel doesn’t have to be in Europe to join the WEOG. Canada, for example, in in the WEOG.
Frankly, I think it’s shameful that a country like Israel, which is a stable Democracy with significant economic and military power, is being isolated from the U.N. while other countries like Libya are not only in the U.N., but sit on prestigious councils like the Human Rights Commission and the Security Council.
This of course is because the U.N. is biased against Israel. There is no rational justification for keeping Israel out of the U.N., other than that its racist neighbors are stopping it. Thus, the end-around to the WEOG.
But of course, a bunch of countries in the EU are trying to block this as well, because the EU is also biased against Israel.
