d00d, 'cuz there’s no market for them yet.
Joe_Cool
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I think the scenarios are silly, too. Why would anyone shoot or crush the skull of he who would grow up to cure cancer?
Of HIM who! Why would anyone shoot or crush the skull OF HIM who would grow up to cure cancer!
“Him” is the objective case. It’s the object of the preposition “of”!
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d00d, chill. Such formal usage has no place in melodramatic dialogue. As other posters have pointed out, this thread has a tendency to hyperbole. I was jes foolin’.
If I hadn’t been goofy, I would have written something less awkward and more ABC After-School Special, like “the boy who would grow up to cure cancer.” 
And now I’m wondering if there’s a made-for-Lifetime movie about shooting an intruder…
Shoot me.
Sure you can. Improvise! Get a skinny can, like key defender. Stick it in the waist band of you pajamas or underware or pant’s pocket if you’re still dressed. You don’t have to have it out ready to go, but you should have it on you. In the rare event you encounter an intruder having a non-lethal weapon as well as a gun will help you not only physically, but legally.
After reading some of these posts I’m sorry to have to say, if confronted with an intruder some of you are going to end up in prison!
There is no way I’m sticking a can of pepper spray in a position that it’ll hit my boys if it leaks.
How did you come to that conclusion? I don’t see how it is going to help me from a physical standpoint. From a legal standpoint perhaps it could end up hurting me. What if some lawyer asks me why I didn’t use the pepper spray first instead of using the firearm? This doesn’t even get into the logisitics of carrying two weapons and deciding which one I need to use within the span of a few seconds.
Marc
Having to agree with Marc’s last post, pk in that most of the self defense stuff I have read about, none of the experts advocate two weapons. Most of them recommend (actually they mandate) that you should have a light source in one hand and your firearm in the other, in whatever method you’re comfortable using.
For God’s sake, man…have you never heard of a bayonet???
I am endlessly amused that this thread has turned from “guns are bad because they might kill mischievous children!” to “How To Shoot Intruders The Right Way”.
I love you guys.
but wouldn’t a ‘cool’ non-lethal handgun kill most excuses for possessing a lethal weapon in the first place? then the OP would be less tragic…
Me personally. my twelve step process
- wake up - chamber round
- quietly walk to compromised area
- light intruder up with Tac-light
- assess threat
- threat assesment proves positive for harm to me or any one in my house hold
- dump 10 rounds center mass before they hit the floor
- let them bleed for a few
- call cops
- go to court- get aquitted
- make parents of the delinquent pay to have my floor cleaned of their sons blood.
- educate local kids of what can happen to them when they make stupid decisions by putting an article in the paper.
- wait for the next stupid SOB to invade my domain.
The county sheriff and district attorney gave the talk when my concealed carry license was issued. Both of them said quite clearly that Pennsylvania makes no requirement upon the resident to attempt to flee or to use non-lethal force before using a firearm, that their best advice on how to handle a home intrusion is to aim at the center of mass, tell the intruder to leave, and if he doesn’t, the mere fact that he refused to leave when faced with a firearm is indication that he meant to do serious bodily harm or kill. We were also told that if we wanted to be absolutely clear about ‘reasonable fear for life or limb’ that if the intruder took even one step forward after having the gun leveled at them, it should be taken as an indication that person was willing to kill.
As the DA said ‘Nobody who’s not out to kill you is going to take even one step closer to the muzzle.’
If someone has a gun in hand, as long as they have the energy to fire, they are a threat. It’s entirely possible to shoot someone from a position on the floor, Marc.
I’ll do whatever it takes to bring my life out of danger, because I doubt that in the few seconds such events would play out I’d be standing there having a logical debate in my head about whether or not I might go to jail. When you’re life’s in danger, you don’t think about prosecutors and juries.
First, thanks for the compliment. To the rest of your comment: I am thinking about it, and I’m aware that there will always be people who use my kind of absolute ‘I will save my life without even a first thought to legal consequences’ attitude against me. Unfortunatley, that is the reality. I have been in the position where, had the intruder not run at a verbal warning the DA of my county suggested not giving, I would have shot him. There were only a few thoughts in my head at that moment, and all of them consisted of ‘remove the threat’. As bad as it may sound, in that position, at that time, with those few seconds ticking by, when you’re afraid for your life, you don’t have time to think about a judge and jury.
I confronted that intruder with nothing but the pistol, and when the police who caught him started asking around the building to find out what the people who lived there knew, I told them what happened. This might surprise you, but the only thing they said to me regarding my drawing a 9mm on the perpetrator was that they were glad I was unharmed when he broke in.
Whats my “excuse” for having such firepower?
Perhaps the same one a golfer may give you for having a $400.oo golf club.
I happen to like the damn thing…
Tragic how? I thought the kid turned out to be a young Hitler,no?
Demise- The only reason my girlfriend would be involved is if I weren’t home when the *Criminal * invaded my home with the intent to harm. I’ve discussed it with her, and she agrees, knocking the perp unconscious is probably not needed. Especially when hit with 2 Glaser rounds to the torso. I think z28in813 has got a pretty good grasp of things, but posting a letter in the local paper is just askiing for retalliation hits and driveby’s in my neck of the woods.
I haven’t gotten around to getting one yet, and I think I’m a bigger fan of bludgeoning than stabbing.
But thanks for the reminder. 
I have made it a point to stay out of all this up until now. I thought I was doing well, but I can no longer stay out of it. It is disconcerting that so many people speak with authority about things which they know nothing of. Many of you talk about how you would let your intruder go, or use less than lethal force. Many of you throw words like ‘murder’ at the actual victims of the original crime. Many of you make statements having never had to experience the hell on earth reality that is this dog eat dog world. I’d like to take a moment to educate you at my expense…
His name was Willie Hampton.
Willie broke into a house. The home owner was lucky enough to hear the break in and respond with a shotgun, a 410. A 410 is your best bet in the home because it is unlikely that the pellets will go through the sheetrock and into another room in your home, endangering lives. Willie was held off long enough for the cops to arrive. No harm, no foul.
Willie got out of jail 6 months later, he was only in jail that long because he had a previous conviction of felony B&E. Willie remembered the home owner that put him in prison, knew just how to get there, as a matter of fact.
Willie was quieter this time. No one heard Willie break in to the home, and Willie was packing. Willie tied the man of the house up nice and tight in a chair and pointed it toward the man’s bed. He wanted the man to see.
Willie raped his wife…several times. He raped her from behind. He raped her in every position in half an hour that the couple had tried throughout their entire marriage. Willie came on her face, her breasts, her backside…He’d told the man he’d been saving it up good, after all he was in prison 6 months.
Willie beat her, then raped her…beat her, then raped her. During all of this Willie gave a running commentary of sorts about what he was doing to this man’s *white bitch. I couldn’t possibly quote the things that were said without breaking down, and possibly taking you with me.
When Willie grew tired of raping her himself, he did it with the gun. Then Willie forced her to suck on his gun barrel “the way you sucked my big *black dick,” while the husband watched. Then while she did this, Willie’s gun came.
Willie cut off the man’s penis and fed it to the family dog, a Scottish Terrier. The dog’s name was Odie. Willie left the man to die. He very nearly did, but something more awful happened. He lived.
I hope that you will go back over what I have written and substitute yourself for the man, and your spouse for the woman. I hope that you will go out of your way to visualize what I have fought so hard to put into words. I bet you’ll change your tune about all of this if you feel like it had happened to you.
Whatever opinion I could have had regarding this whole issue was hijacked at such an early age. The only opinion that I can have regarding it is a simple, clear, but logical one.
If you are in my home, you made a conscious decision to be there. You knew there was a possibility that you would not come out alive. You knew that you were taking a risk, but you took it anyway. If you are in my home you have already spoken to me about your intentions. You mean me harm. And whether you are carrying a knife, a gun, or a Pez dispenser, you are going to die. There is no way that I can allow you to leave my home alive. Because I realize that I am the luckiest son of a bitch on the planet to have heard you come in, in the first place. I will not give you the opportunity to come back. If it turns out that you do not have a weapon, one will be provided for you. I have had many law enforcement officials tell me that is what they would do. No one is going to go out of their way to investigate on the behalf of a criminal that took a bullet. Besides, I’ll be as creative as I need to be with my story. I’ll take my chances.
If it makes you feel better, grab yourself a shotgun, load it in such a way that a shell with bird shot is pumped into the chamber the first time. After you shoot your burglar with the bird shot, he’ll more than likely be ready to leave. If not pump the next round into the chamber, the one you loaded with buckshot. That next shot will set his spirit free.
Me? I don’t have any bird shot in my house.
…There are just too many Willie Hamptons out there.
*I did not intend to bring race into this as it is not needed, but was merely quoting Willie. You can decide whether it matters or not.
No, the kid was an alien diplomat looking for a cheese sandwich. Killing him enraged the gelgamecs, who then destroyed earth. You bastard.
Marklar?
Never use pepper spray against a potentially armed intruder in your house. That is such a recipe for disaster.
First of all, pepper spray is an inhaled agent as well as a contact one. In an enclosed area, you are going to take a resperatory hit immeadiately, and staying in the area will cause contact symptoms from the fumes. This is going to make it very difficult for you to evaluate and respond to further threats, and can incapacate you as much or even more then the intruder.
Second, pepper spray isn’t universally effective. Its possible to build up or even be born with a very high resistance to it. We all know freaks who regularly eat the “Ninth Layer of Hell” wings, buy Dave’s Hotter’n Hell sause and order 5 star dishes at the Thai place, all without batting an eye. These folks are not going to react to getting sprayed the same as the guy who tears up at medium wings. And if its one of these guys breaking into your home, then its possible that they will recover before you do, and you are in for a world of hurt.
Third, pepper spray takes a few seconds to work. Not long, mind you, but considering its short range, more than long enough for a determined adversary to shoot you, stab you, or beat you with a golf club of his own.
Finally, pepper spray is a one shot weapon. If it doesn’t work the first time, applying more isn’t gonna make it work any better. In fact, more spray applied to the same area will actually wash original spray off.
There are other considerations too, like getting closer than I’d like and amazing legal trouble if you have to shoot after spraying, not to mention your house will be uninhabitable for a while. Pepper spray is great stuff, and it does have its uses, just not in a home intrusion situation.
You are much better off with a firearm. Preferably something that looks big and menacing in the dark. The sight of, say, a big stainless revolver or the sound of pump shotgun racking will usually get rid of nonviolent intruders.
:smack: I made the mistake of forgetting to mention that I’m a Defensive Tactics instructor. I should have mentioned that when I talked about force continuum. I need to keep my self reminded that the actions a police officer takes is different from that of non-police individuals. I keep my weapon in my duty belt, along with my baton, spray, cuffs, etc… The actions I would take when confronted are in fact different than what most of you would take.
I also need to remind my self that the laws are different in all 50 states. I can tell you this: in the state of Wisconsin if you catch an intruder and empty rounds in his chest, you better be able to articulate that 1)you feared for your life, and 2)why you feared for your life (i.e. what actions did the intruder take) Simply saying you saw and intruder and shot him isn’t going to cut it. Not here anyway.
I’m only on the department part-time now (and more than half that time is spent teaching courses) but I’m still a cop and I’m armed to the teeth and I still wouldn’t walk around my house looking for an intruder. I’d call a patrol unit in and have a room clearing sweep done. Walking around by yourself, looking for an unknown threat is a stupid risk. Of course if you not sure whether or not someones actually in the house, then you’ve got a judgement call to make. Alarm systems and a dog can help answer that question.