[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
Perhaps the glaze over your eyes prevents you from discerning the text on your monitor. I prefer Obama, you stupid fuck. I just think these are two equally matched candidates in positions, in national polling, and more or less in primary votes to this point. I don’t like the Obamaniacs need to try to advance their candidate through this steady stream of crazy smears about Clinton. Including “hyperbole” associating her with a notorious axe murderess.
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Yeah, well you know what? I AM a stupid fuck! Who completely misunderstood what you were saying! So there!
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
The Dems nominated Kerry over Dean with the idea that the more traditional, Washington insider (100% charisma-free) had a better chance of being elected than the maverick outsider. Look how well that worked. It’s a bad idea to make that mistake again.
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Democrats didn’t really reject Dean. His supporters didn’t show up to caucus for him in Iowa. He had a very limited appeal to independents in New Hampshire, and there was no Republican challenger.
[QUOTE=levdrakon]
… over the blow job fiasco. They’ll chew him up and spit him out.
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Am I the only one who thought that the juxtaposition of these images was a bit … unfortunate?
[QUOTE=Miller]
Yeah, well you know what? I AM a stupid fuck! Who completely misunderstood what you were saying! So there!
[sub]Sorry.[/sub]
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Why you motherless son of … Wait, what? Sorry? Misunderstanding?
Oh, have you come here for an argument? This is abuse. You are supposed to exchange in a series of inceasing profanity laden invective intended to achieve nothing but spleen venting. Argument is four doors up the hall.
[QUOTE=Shayna]
A LOT of people dislike her health plan for tangible, legitimate reasons, namely, her idea of “mandatory” and the effect that will have on the middle class and poor …
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I support Obama even while I think that HRC’s healthcare reform proposals make much more sense. My main fear of HRC’s is that it will have little chance of passing and that she will just poison the well all over again. I’d rather have incremental improvement than none at all.
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
Why you motherless son of … Wait, what? Sorry? Misunderstanding?
Oh, have you come here for an argument? This is abuse. You are supposed to exchange in a series of inceasing profanity laden invective intended to achieve nothing but spleen venting. Argument is four doors up the hall.
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NOW they tell me.
Fuck.
I’ll just get my hat.
BTW - I don’t like Clinton. It’s nothing real, I guess - her policies seem OK, she’s NOT BUSH ™, and whilst I don’t really like her AUMF vote, it’s not like she was the lone Democrat supporting it. I just don’t like her. She seems mean-spirited, unecessarily harsh, perhaps even cold or brittle. She’s just seems so controlled, so fake. And as an American living abroad, her international experience is a bit short for me to take her too seriously, because regardless of how that polls with the flyover states, foreign relations is a huge part of the President’s job. And I really don’t like how she turned on the tears when it was politically convenient to do so - that doesn’t speak to me of leadership, because I can’t imagine some Islamic Fundamentalist or despotic dictator being too strongly swayed by a few tears; I see them taking that as a sign of weakness and pushing for more. Bill is a hell of a lot of voltage in a non-elected spot, and I worry that he would overstep dramatically his place, much as Hillary did - I recall the Hillary Rodham health care plan for the US, not the Bill Clinton plan - not that she wasn’t capable, but SHE WASN’T ELECTED!!! She didn’t have the authority to make policy!
I guess the biggest reason I don’t like her, though, is she doesn’t inspire me to do anything. Bill did, I voted for him twice. But Hillary just don’t do it for me.
Not that Obama is much better on the international front, but at least he’s got some personality and charm to him, and he’s a hell of a lot more inspirational to me than Hillary is. I can see him actually charming foreign leaders, while I can only see Clinton harranging them into a compromise that they fail to comply with as soon as they leave the office. And I can see him standing up to some pretty nasty people, not running to his spouse or turning on the waterworks when things got rough.
Brand me as a sexist for this if you must, but I’d like to think it is because of character, not sex. YMMV.
[QUOTE=mhendo]
If Hillary Clinton is elected, and wins two terms, then by the time she completes her presidency in 2017, fully one-third of the US population will have lived only under a President named Clinton or Bush. That’s pretty fucking scary.
It wouldn’t stop me voting for her if i supported her policies, but it’s still a pretty damning indictment of the political system, in my opinion. Already, when George Bush leaves office early next year, one-quarter of all Americans have only ever had a Bush or a Clinton as President.
From Harper’s Magazine, January 2008. Figures based on Harper’s research using census data.
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And in 2017 both Chelsea Clinton and the Bush Twins will be eligable to run for President.
We could arrange for a ful 52 years of nothing but Bushes and Clintons! :eek:
