I've Solved The Mystery of the Nazca Lines; Now Come Shoot Holes in My Theories

The Nazca Lines

I am neither an archaeologist, an anthropologist, an historian of pre-Columbian civilizatins, nor an art expert. However, I’ve come up with a theory that has baffled all of the above, relating to the Nazca lines.

Apparently no one knows how or why the Nazca managed to build them (they’re only fully visible from the air, and the Nazca obviously didn’t have aircraft). And, of course, why did they build them in the first place? No one at the time could see them.

Well, I’ve figured out how AND why. We’ll deal with the why first.

The Nazca must have believed in tribal gods, as did most (if not all) pre-Columbian Amerindian civilizations. Believing that at least some gods dwell in the heavens, then the Nazca obviously made those giant patterns to be seen by the gods up in the sky. Simple enough. And the Nazca desert is the perfect canvas for giant works of art, viewable only by divine beings.

So how did they do it? When I was a kid Mammarasta used to buy me these “fun books” with lots of games and puzzles in them. One of the activities was a “Draw It Yourself” exercise; a professional artist would draw a caricature (say, a lion licking a lollipop) on one page and on the facing page I was to draw the same scene. The trick was that each page had a grid on it. One the one page the grid was superimposed over the image, and on the other the grid was on a blank page. These grids broke the image into smaller, reproducible parts. In other words, section c7 of the image grid only had a couple of wavy lines; and on my blank page I could easily reproduce those wavy lines. When combined with the images in sections c6, c8, b7, d7 and so on the simple, easily-reproducible lines I was drawing would have formed the coherent image on the facing page. An image I could have never drawn on my own. Am I making sense here?

So, getting back to the Nazca… Refer to the monkey (or is it a spider? who can tell?) at the top of the page in the link up above. Let’s say that a Nazca Artist (we’ll call him “Bud”) drew that image on an animal hide or whatever he had handy. Along comes a Nazca Architect (we’ll call him “Lou”) to draw a perfect 20 X 40 section grid over it. He then consults with a Nazca Mathmetician (we’ll call him “Larry”), who determines that each square section of Lou’s grid on paper will represent a one-meter-squared section on the ground (let’s assume that the Nazcas used the metric system :D). So, a Nazca Surveyor (we’ll call him “Sam”) then goes out to the desert and, with his crew, builds his grid. Using ropes, posts, and a measuring stick, within a few days he has his grid on the ground (let’s assume that the Nazcas knew how to make perfect right angles and straight lines). Now, all that’s left is for the Nazca Ground Scratcher (we’ll call him “Mack”) to scratch the ground and make the lines, one section at a time, using Bud & Lou’s schematic. Once he’s done each of his ::does math:: 800 sections, Sam pulls down the ropes and posts. Then Bud, Lou, Larry, Sam & Mack all admire their work. Of course, they can’t actually see it so they’re basically just hoping it worked. Two thousand years later, some dude in a Cessna flies by and says, yes, by golly, it worked.

So there’s my theory. Either I’m a freaking genius and I’m going to publish it and make huge stir in the archaeology world, or I’m a raving idiot and the good people of the SDMB are going to shoot my theory full of holes.

Go ahead, I can take it! :smiley:

I don’t know if the idea has ever been published, but my brother suggested the same thing around 10 years ago after we watched one of those “In Search Of” type shows (the HOW, not the WHY).
It makes perfect sense to me!

If the grid was scratched on the ground, where are the grid lines? If the grid was made out of the ropes and posts, where are the 800 holes in the ground?

Nice thread, rastahomie. Makes a nice change from ‘-gry’ and ‘rock trombonists’.

Some devil’s advocate responses, just for the hell of it…

"then the Nazca obviously made those giant patterns to be seen by the gods up in the sky"

Why does this follow? Which aspect of Nazca theology suggests the gods want to see a large monkey, or a large spider? Or two long parallel lines? You have offered a notion that is possible, but you have added nothing to suggest it is probable.

Also, why do drawings need to be made large to be seen by gods? Why can’t gods see drawings a few feet across? Why should gods be deemed to have the same kind of optical limitations as people? And why the many different and conflicting orientations? If you want to put on a show for the gods, at least offer a consistent viewpoint.

Moreover, if you are going to create a large image, why not depict something large… such as a large structure or a map of a city or a crowd of people? Why choose to draw very small items (spider) on a vastly enlarged scale?

There are countless civilisations and cultures which have embraced the notion of gods, and associated ‘gods’ with ‘heavens’. Yet only the Nazca created these vast artworks on a flat plane. Why this unique manifestation of worship (if that’s what it is) ?

Another problem with your theroy is that the vast majority of the Nazca lines do not form any coherent image. Most are just long, straight and sometimes parallel lines which seem neither decorative nor functional. The ‘representational’ elements are in the minority.

I also think you are a little adrift anthropologically. We are talking about an era when survival - defending against wild predators, generating enough food - was still a daily struggle for most. Leisurely planning of manpower-intensive religious arts projects would be hard to justify. The Nazca lines represent a massive deployment of time and precious resources in an age when basic survival was an ongoing struggle. This take some explaining beyond theological or superstitious whimsy.

As for the ‘how’, I don’t think this has ever been considered especialy problematic. Your ‘scale drawing’ theory is as good as any other, but non-controversial.

I wouldn’t call the Nazca lines a mystery anymore, really.

http://www.skepdic.com/nazca.html

Particularly of note is the work of Maria Reiche, a scientist who spent her whole life studying the lines. If anyone understands the lines, she does. http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/june98/19_10_075.html

I think by making light gridlines, the wind would eventually blow them away. My question is: what did they use to make the drawing last for so long. There are definately going to be times of great wind in any place in the world, what makes these last so long?
Also, I think they were drawing for a mortal audience. Honestly, it would be kind of an insult to say to a god: “We don’t think you can see us worship you, or even wave to you by the thousands on a given day. So we’re going to draw this big thing in the sand to let you know that we appreciate you.”. On the other hand, I guess it is kind of a religious cause to take the effort to build something so large. But the egyptians beat 'em out. The real question is: What’s up with that guy who built coral castle? That boggles my mind.

ianzin, Not to pick on you, but this statement:
“Another problem with your theroy is that the vast majority of the Nazca lines do not form any coherent image. Most are just long, straight and sometimes parallel lines which seem neither decorative nor functional. The ‘representational’ elements are in the minority.”
Cite? Jus’ cause we don’t know what they are for doesn’t mean they weren’t the most important part of the she-bang. And:
“Leisurely planning of manpower-intensive religious arts projects would be hard to justify. The Nazca lines represent a massive deployment of time and precious resources in an age when basic survival was an ongoing struggle. This take some explaining beyond theological or superstitious whimsy.”
But they did do it regardless. Never under-estimate the vanity of kings!

I think the grid could have been done with rocks which wouldn’t have left grid lines or holes when removed.

There was a guy (sorry, no cites, unfortunately) who went down there and with period technology and available materials built a hot air ‘balloon’. And flew it, IIRC. This assumes they had the concept. But it was made from plant fibers the would have not stood the test of time. I’m not saying I believe this theory, But it was technically possible.

I guess then they are just imaginary or a mirage of sorts.
andygirl has a great link. If true it would still have theological implications, the same way that Stone Hedge does.

Hombre the book Ancient Inventions by Peter James and Nick Thorpe makes that case that the lines could have been made by balloonists. Thanks to google I found a couple of sites with pictures of the folks who made the balloons:

http://www.hist.unt.edu/0nasca.htm

http://www.survive2012.com/nazcalines3.html

Interest theory…sounds like a good explanation to me :smiley:

wrong.

http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~kbyon/earth/giant.htm
http://members.aol.com/meadowgate/smyth/stones.htm
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/hows/personal/hillfigs/misc.htm

while these were on hillsides, they arent immediately viewable, and definitely worked out to be viewed from above.

A really big etch a sketch maybe? :wink:

Pre-christian Vandalism?

Kind of Like “Edenmore A.O.K” for the pre-jilted Generation?

I heard that many of the non-represtantional “lines” point at stars in the sky. So, I could be some kind of gigantic astronomical chart.

It is generally accepted in archaeological circles that the Nazca Lines were offerings to Gods (WTG Rastahomie). The goal of the offerings was to get rain. The plain that the Lines are etched into have not seen more than one inch of rainfall in over 1000 years. But the areas near the mountains were wet and able to support the thriving Nazca culture. The Nazca were famous for their pottery and textiles in addition to the Lines. If you get a chance to see them for yourselves, go and do it. It is a remarkable place.

i noticed in my travels in south america that you cant catch a “freebie” viewing of the drawings on a regular commercial flight. they fly clear of the plains, so if you want to see them, you gotta pay extra and take a charter flight, which are plentiful at the airport in Airequipa (missspelled, im sure)

sneaky bastards!