If you’ve got something to say to me, just leave this faux-cutesy dancing around alone and come out and say it.
Allow me to amend that, hippie. Change without regard to consequence is bad.
Are we morons now too? Whyever do you put up with it? Isn’t there a nice board for grannies you can find where everyone is sweet and angelic all the time?
It’s not “we’ve always done it that way.” It’s “we’ve always done it that way, and we like it and think it’s good.” We don’t think we need to change. It ain’t broke, so we ain’t gonna fix it no matter how much you whine and call names. If we violate board rules, then we get our spankings. If not, we can and should do our thing. Don’t like it? Fuck off.
And something else about this thread that’s really ticking me off: the ambiguity of all these accusations of jackal-dom. Here’s what I would like from all you peope claiming people were so wrong and vicious in the RSSchen post: name names. Link to posts you think were over the top but which were not censured by the Mods. You want people to change? Show them exactly where they erred. Put your money where your mouth is, unless what you’re really doing here is being all morally righteous but without the courage to actually back it up with specifics.
And I have every right (along with anyone else who thinks so) to call them whiney bitches and suggest that they stay the fuck out of the pit if they can’t take it.
There. The circle of life is complete.
(And no, on the off chance you were thinking it, I’m not calling you a whiney bitch featherlou. Your recent flip-flop does strike me as a little odd, but no skin of my nose, so to speak.)
What happens if the pittee can’t make it back before two pages? Close the thread before the pittee can get a say? Threads can get to two pages pretty quickly sometimes. Close the thread after two pages of unoriginal posts is a pretty limiting guideline to use.
Polerius, I’m asking where the line is drawn, not who wants to change the rules. I want to know what constitutes “jackal behavior.” Gazpacho for example seems to think that two pages is the point of no return and that threads could/should be closed past that point if nothing new can be added. For you, what crosses the line between legitmate pit thread and packish cruelty?
Featherlou, if the posters in question are breaking the “no jerk” rule, at what point to warnings come into play? Fourth poster to flame the pittee? Fifth? What makes whoever comes in at post 85 more deserving of a jerk violation than post 76?
Quiddity,I’d like you to answer my question. Where do you draw the line between legitmate pit and jerkitude/jackaltude? You seem to think that the pit is too mean and that the old rules aren’t working. Do you have any notions on how to make the pit work better?
Would that really fix anything? I could link to any number of posts that I think are too vicious and over-the-top here any given day of the week, but all that proves is that I think they’re vicious and over-the-top.
Ah, yes, the old don’t-like-what-you-hear-bog-'em-down-in-minutia ploy.
I’m about to leave, myself (no, luci, I’m not saying I’m about to leave myself…there’s a difference), but perhaps this evening, if I can find the sizable chunk of time required to satisfy your request, perhaps I’ll do so. Then again, maybe not. Who knows? It just depends on how motivated I am to belabor the obvious.
I’ll, indeed, try again. I’ll bold the part that bothers me.
How does the above statement about “realizing that the fight is over,” justify you then starting a new thread to start the kicking all over again by calling for a banning.
It’s just stirring the same shit again. If the fight was over in the first thread, it’s over in the second thread too. You can call it a complaint about the board, but it’s just going back for one more swift one to the stones.
Well I think that YOU’RE vicious and over the top!
Well no, not really. But that is sort of the point, isn’t it?
Apparently people have differing lines of what’s uber nasty and what’s not. As far as I can tell, the only opinions that count on where that line is are the those belonging to mods/admins who get to close things when they’re too nasty.
Coming in after the fact and saying “Wow - you guys were really mean!!!” doesn’t really do much of anything other than make the person saying it feel morally superior, and the people reading it roll the eyes so far back in their heads that their optic nerves snap. At least that’s what happened to me. Really.
I could explain myself here, and why I felt starting that thread was justified, but I explained it all in that thread, and I’m not going to do it again. That thread is over.
“Bog 'em down in minutia”? What, do you think you should be able to spray accusations into the aether and not back them up with actual cites? That’s just poor argumentation. I know how much people hate it when called on to back up their opinions with concrete support, but without examples then don’t expect anyone to think your opinion has any merit or is anything more than just whining and abstract bitching.
Go for it. Let’s be clear here: we’re looking for intolerably vicious, horrendously cruel posts that which are within current board rules but which you and others think should be castigated and/or not allowed to be posted. You want this forum to change? You think the way it is now is bad? Show us where, and tell us what you would have be different. The mods are allowing posts here that are over the line? Show us the line and why we should draw it somewhere else. Because then this will be a real conversation about how the Forum works or doesn’t work, and not just a bunch of pseudo-high-minded moralizing without balls.
I don’t I’ve ever seen a more aggressive and egregious episode of someone putting words in my mouth as this. :rolleyes:
My position is that much of the posting in those threads was mean, vicious, over-the-top, and designed to hurt RSSchen on a psychic level. I think that kind of behavior is atrocious, and I’ve condemned those who were engaging in it. Period. Kindly cite my “wanting the forum to change”, where I said anything shouldn’t be “allowed to be posted”, or where I said there was some “line” that people “shouldn’t be allowed to cross”.
That entire paragraph is falsity made manifest.
Then you need to get out more.
Oh, “much of it” was over the top. You can’t be specific. You don’t want to name names, because then you’d actually have to back up this accusation with examples. I think that’s cowardly of you.
I agree that there were most definitely some posts in that thread which were too harsh, like wishing she’d never see her kids again, and threatening her with RL action. However, as tomndebb pointed out, that was a minority. Most of that thread was telling RSSchen what she was doing was wrong, that her attitude towards what she was doing was reprehensible, that she needed help on a variety of fronts due to her denial, that she wasn’t as untraceable as she thought, etc. None of those posts were out of line, IMO.
No, you haven’t. You’ve made blanket statements but you haven’t specifically condemned those who were engaging in it. You refuse to point out who is getting this valuable condemnation you are offering. Your and Quiddity’s “oh, you villains know who you are!” routine is so priggish and yet so cowardly.
That’s Quiddity. She wants the Forum to change. You just want people who will remain nameless to be condemned.
Oh please, what the fuck is false about it? I’m asking you to be concrete when you condemn people. Say who you’re condemning and be specific about why. If anything, you’re the one being false because you ARE saying people crossed a line and did wrong, but you will not actually cite the wrong and suggest any constructive changes. But somehow I’m the one being false. Complete bullshit.
True 'nough. I think the argument here is that there are virtually NO posts that are TOO nasty, though, for the mods to shut them down - they only shut down posts and threads that are beyond the rules, and we have no “Don’t be too nasty” rules, as far as I know.
Well, we don’t have a lot of them, but it does seem like when a thread no longer has any content other than nastyness it gets closed.
I mean, how nasty is too nasty? Goat feltcher? Dog fucker? Platypus rimmer? I’ve had people tell me in the pit that my grandmother died from cancer because she was trying to get away from me because I’m so awful. I mean, that’s pretty nasty - is that too nasty? I don’t think so, but I’m not particularly sensitive about stuff like that.
Please keep my name outta here. I’ve no dog in this fight and have been working really hard on my issues. Haven’t heard a peep from me in days have you?
I do appreciate that people realize that by trying to round up a posse to find me and notify my husband (gosh - did somebody actually say “mail him a letter at work”? or am I misremembering) may have crossed the line. Some might have, and if they did, it’s up to the Mods to dispense warnings.
I honestly hold no hard feelings. My situation was fucked up. I’m working on it and it’s difficult, but bound to get better.
Well, your post did inspire this thread (and a billion other spin-offs), and people are saying that there was a lot of over the top meanness towards you. And there was some, which sucks, but I don’t think the resulting recriminations are warranted either. However, overall, this thread isn’t about you, per se, it’s how people posted in a thread that happened to be about you. It’s more about the nature of the Pit and what is and isn’t OK here, with your thread as a source of the most recent examples. If Mods think this discussion is inappropriate or somehow still messing with you, I hope they will shut it down. Otherwise, we’re going to talk about this and your name will probably get mentioned. Them’s the breaks.
Oh, I see. Can we please just use my NEW name though?
Just to clarify my initial comments when I reopened the thread, posts about RSSchen/MizGrand’s relationship issues are not welcome in this thread. That horse has been beaten to death. However, posts about the threads themselves, people’s behavior in those threads and whether or not such discussions are appropriate in the Pit or the boards as a whole are fine.
Posters are welcome to honor MizGrand’s request not to use those threads as examples of poor Pit behavior, but they are not required to. Message board celebrity is one of the risks of message board posting.
Well, it’s no wonder we’re confused. Here is a quote from the “Guidelines and Etiquette on the SDMB” sticky in ATMB:
(“Don’t Be a Jerk” being our number one rule here.)
I would say being vicious and mean would be a violation of good manners and common courtesy, BUT it also clearly says that in the Pit, you may insult as you please. I would assume that that also includes being vicious and mean.
Do we need a moderator ruling on this? Are there any lines that you can’t cross even in the Pit, other than trolling, death threats, and hate speech?