James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell

We have just as much room for you as you have room for compassion and empathy.

Honey, this is the part where you make it about you.

There is plenty of room for God.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
P.S. Is there plenty of room for him in your head?

It’s been pointed out that your needless unsolicited contribution cause pain to other people. But it “means enough” to you that you are happy to run roughshod over other people, and to add insult to injury, blame the people under your feet for being hurt by it?

Keep telling yourself that. Your ego is so inflated that you think you ARE GOD. I have no room in my head for that shit, that’s for damn sure.

I’m not the one with the 1500+ post Pit thread, sweetheart.

She’s obviously fucking infallible. Pope JOSH the Pious.

I apologize for being nasty in this thread and I hope you will let me try to make up for it. Whether you accept or find it too little too late, I hope you will take the time to read this post and think it over. I also promise not to make fun of you anymore.

I will assume that you’re posting in good faith and you sincerely believe what you’re saying. The troll-calling and swapping insults isn’t working, isn’t helping, isn’t resolving the situation, so let’s try something else.

I’ve been thinking how to explain things so let me try to do so with something we all understand, a situation at work.

My previous job was at a department store. My department manager was in charge of the children’s department and the lingerie department (mainly because they were next to each other). I was the department lead, which means I was basically the assistant manager without the title and paycheck.

It was tough to keep up with everything there is to do in two large and busy departments, so I ended up helping her with the small details, including making signs for display racks.

In this hypothetical situation, say she had left me a note saying, “Tomato, please make a sign that says WARNER’S PANTIES 3/$15.00” So I make a sign that says “WARNER’S UNDERPANTS $5.00.” and next morning she’s all like, “Tomato, what the heck, woman?”

And suppose I say, “I’ve called 'em underpants all my life, everyone knows what underpants are, and so I’m just calling them a different name that means the exact same thing. And 15/3 is 5, so putting $5 is the exact same thing as the other way and saved me some typing.”

“Except,” she would say, “the buying office and store management wants them called panties and we don’t want to get in trouble. And if a customer only buys one or two pairs they pay 5.99 each so the whole point of the 3/$15 is so they know they have to buy 3 pairs to get that price.”

To which I might counter, “The buyers only come around once a year so they’ll never know. Besides, I call them underpants and I’m not going to start calling them panties just because someone I see once a year wants me to. People won’t get confused because lots of people call them underpants. And they’re doing a bad thing if they won’t sell them at the price they say they will unless people buy 3 pairs. It’s false advertising!”

After heaving a deep sigh, she’d likely continue, "Every other sign for knickers in the whole lingerie department has the word ‘panties’ on it so this one will stick out like a sore thumb. The buying office might not come around much, but they do make surprise visits. And store management is here every day. Besides, every pair has a tag on it that says “5.99 each or 3/15.00 so it’s not false advertising.”

“See, you called them ‘knickers’ and I knew what you meant, so it doesn’t matter if I call them underpants. I can call them what I want, and I’m not going to change because the buying office might show up and if the store manager comes around I’ll tell him just what I told you. And that price is dishonest because everyone will think they’re $5 a pair.”

Growing increasingly angry, she retorts, “I don’t care if you call them ‘Throatwarbler Mangrove,’ just put the right thing on the sign! And I already explained why the price isn’t dishonest!”

“I can call them what I want and I don’t care what you, the buying office, or the store manager thinks I should call them. There’s nothing wrong with calling them underpants, and I’m not going to put a dishonest price on a sign!”

“Tomato,” she’d say, clearly inches away from strangling me with a Wonderbra, “make the sign they way I wanted or you’re fired.”

At that point, I have two choices, dig in my heels and get fired and have no money for iced coffee and mystery novels and blood pressure medication, or make the sign the right way, keep my job, and not get strangled with a Wonderbra?

Now, substitute “underpants vs. panties” for the “chat vs. thread” debate. No, it’s not the end of the world that you call it by a different name, but when one is part of a group it makes the whole thing more harmonious and pleasant for all when everyone uses the same terminology. For an older example, think of what happened at the Tower of Babel after the common language was broken.

Now, substitute the dishonest pricing thing for continuing with the constant God bless you’s after you’ve been asked repeatedly to stop. No one is asking you to quit believing in God or Jesus or what you think is right, but you have to have compassion and understanding for different people’s experiences and situations in life. Tact and willingness to compromise are signs of maturity. Being willing to see the other person’s point of view is important. Just because they are different does not mean they are without merit.

Disagreement is fine, too. However. There’s a difference between polite discussion and forcing your beliefs on others. It’s like having a vegan friend but (generic) you think veganism is silly, so you make a point of chowing down on a Slim Jim or cheeseburger every time you see her, and then you wonder why she starts to avoid you.

The “strangulation with a Wonderbra” equates to the animosity shown towards you in this thread. In my example, if I remake the sign and continue to make the signs the way the manager wants, she’ll get over being mad at me and in time the whole silly incident will be forgotten. Remember, I’m still allowed to think they should be called underpants, and to not like the pricing system, but again there’s that compromise and seeing the manager’s point of view.

Finally, the being able to buy iced coffee and stuff with my wages (for making the sign the right way and not getting fired) has an equivalent as well. James Otto is your favorite singer and you want to tell everyone you can about him online. However, being completely unwilling to consider changing your posting habits has made it so this community is less than receptive to giving him a chance, because of how you are presenting yourself. That’s unfair to him.

In a written medium, all we have to go on is how you present yourself through your words. Criticism hurts, but again it’s a sign of maturity to look past your feelings and think about them. To learn from it.

If you yield a little, you’d be surprised at the difference it can make.

End of sermon :smiley:

^^^ James has never asked me to change the way that I present myself. Why not? Maybe James doesn’t see a reason to change the way that his own self is presented. I believe that James sees that I mean well with what I say so maybe that is why I am never asked by him to change. By the way, I forgive you. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Oh well. Whether you people think that there is room for me or not, I will be here as long as I choose to be.

Like I said a person doesn’t have to wait until they are asked to give their thoughts and beliefs about anything. Did y’all wait until I asked y’all what it is that you people think about me? No.

Like I said, If what I believe in hurts another person, that is not on me. It is on them and them only for letting what I believe in get to them so much.

Oh well. That will all be on you come judgement day.

Not ever message is mine, keep in mind.
God bless you six and James always!!!
Holly

But of course, my pseudomonad of passion :diamond_suit:

So there’s no such thing as hate speech? You are well and truly a mental infant.

^^^ I don’t hate anyone, but if you want to think that I do judging by what my beliefs are, that is a right that you have that I am just going to have to learn to live with because it is a right that we all have that I can’t take away from anyone.
God bless you always!!!
Holly

God can kiss my crack always :cool: :cool: :cool:

God bless your crack! :smiley:

Helly, you’re a Christian, right? Have you actually READ the Bible? this is a serious question; the Bible is full of Jesus telling people to love one another, not to hurt each other, make a genuine effort to be not just good, but good to each other. He does not say “do whatever you want, and if other people are hurt, FUCK 'EM!”

I’m just honestly confused about your brand of theism.

^^^ I don’t mean to people when I share my beliefs. How a person feels about what my beliefs are is their own choice and no one else’s.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
P.S. Do you people let how I feel about what y’all say stop you from saying it? No.

You have the right to believe anything you want, Holly. What you refuse to understand is that you are pre-emptively “blaming the victim” for your insensitivity. Was what you said as bad as a KKK speech? No, but just read your words again and try to see how you claim the right to say anything about anyone in the future and to skip away smugly. Please read them again, there they are. Read them and tell us how what you say makes any sense in a decent society (or message board).

This isn’t about your beliefs. It’s about your ability to understand basic logic and social norms. If you can’t let go of this playground “neener neener” mindset, maybe this isn’t the place for you. You’re either a moron, a bigot or both.

So when the Bible says “do all things with charity” - that doesn’t apply to you? Live peaceably with others? Not relevant? Be kind to others? Nothing to do with you, right?

I could be wrong, but that SOUNDS like it means you should take others into consideration when you open your mouth.

If no one is going to take my feelings into consideration, they shouldn’t expect me to take their feelings into consideration.
God bless you always!!!
Holly

Your own scripture demands pretty much the opposite. Instead of saying they may not respect me so i shouldnt respect them, it pretty clearly lays out that you should take their feelings into consideration because that’s what’s right.

Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men
Again, have you actually read the Bible?