Uh, Jamie? You are. That’s what a Pit thread about you is for.
That doesn’t mean it’s unjustified, however. 
You have. I didn’t say the entire posting population of this board was after me. Not by any stretch. However, there are a pool of posters who regularly chime in with nastiness, prejudice and nothing to contribute but snark.
And the other term for that is bullying, something no marginalized person should ever put up with.
Honestly, I’m glad that jamie’s here. It serves as a great litmus test.
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You mean the place where the number one rule is “Don’t be a jerk”? You mean the place where trolling is explicitly against the rules, even in the Pit?
And, yes, intentionally misinterpreting someone’s post in order to make them angry is trolling. How could it not be?
Oh shut up, Mister Rogers. Last time I checked, this wasn’t the Carebears Fan Forum.
Sure. You are someone who has to face a ton of shit in your life. Lots of people treat you like a second class person. You have the right to complain about this, and, yes, to even get emotional, and thus unreasonable about it. You have a right not to be judged by how you react to your disability and instead being evaluated as a person outside your disability.
Do they have the right to be upset at your initial actions? Sure. But the litmus test is whether they take that and use that to evaluate you as a person. It is a good test to see if they are decent people who will reevaluate their opinions of someone rather than do what is happening here, which is clear confirmation bias.
I’ve already pointed out before how the opinions of certain people are completely different from how they treat other people. I’ve seen people who are normally for disabled rights arguing against them. Sure, when they are still angry, they might not be thinking correctly. But to keep it going for as long as it has been? It’s ridiculous.
And I won’t say I don’t have a personal stake in this. I am disabled, too, albeit mentally. And because of the first impression I made on several people, I still get made fun of, albeit behind my back rather than to my face.
It’s interesting to see how much of it is just me and how I reacted, and how much of it is just a general idea of how people think. (And I have to admit, a lot of it was apparently my fault.)
Oh, did you check with your Giraffe buddies and find out that it’s okay to say crap about me again? Or is it just your typical getting off on the misfortune of others because it makes you feel better about the crappy live you lead?
Well, what are you planning on doing to improve as an activist? I know you think we’re all against you, but actually I think most of us are behind the idea of equal rights for everyone, including the disabled. What we’re not behind is your method. So how do you think you can change?
You know what they say - you never get a second chance to make a first impression. You can change how people here see you, but it will require work. Despite what you think, we are not all just being nasty for the sake of nastiness, we are responding to what you are putting out there. Remember that this is the same first impression you are putting out there in real life too, and that’s probably why you’ve gotten so much grief for your actions. You are suffering the repercussions of your own words and actions.
:rolleyes: Marginalized? Please. On an online forum all we have to go by is what people tell us about themselves. He chose to make ‘handicapped crusader for justice’ his identity. Commenting on that is not ‘bullying’.
Are you suggesting that the people you declare ‘marginalized’ - whoever they may be (and I’m assuming it includes you) - should be treated with kid gloves and protected from the harshness of the big bad SDMB pit? Jamie is just a poor helpless disabled guy and so he should be allowed to say whatever he wants and not receive any negative feedback? You don’t find that the least bit infantilizing?
No one has the right to be completely unreasonable about certain topics without getting any negative responses. Sorry, that’s not how the internet works. We all have our crosses to bear, but the internet is sort of the great equalizer - people only get to see and respond to what you put out there. You’re trying to get Jamie some kind of free pass to be an asshole without repercussions, which is something even he doesn’t seem to want.
ETA: I see you feel comfortable insulting and demeaning Guin, despite the health issues you know she deals with. I assume that’s because past interaction with her has convinced you that you don’t like or respect her for whatever reason. Or because you happen to vehemently disagree with what she wrote. Strangely, this is the same reason the rest of us insult you or Jamie. Odd how that works, isn’t it? You obviously only want to apply this ‘don’t judge me, my life is hard’ rule to the people you personally feel sorry for. Sorry, captain, it doesn’t work that way.
I’ve said it numerous times before that I don’t think “everyone is against me”, but I maintain that there are a number of posters who have no interest in engaging me in any kind of honest, respectful dialogue and rather just poke snark and nastiness.
As far as improving my abilities as an activist, I need to (and am in the slow process of) be able to channel and focus my energy, will and passion into more organized, non-confrontational, more far-reaching avenues. This is a blossoming direction in my life and making the right connections is slow, frustrating process.
No, it’s because Guin has demonstrated that she thinks it’s perfectly okay to treat people the way I treated her. Therefore she can only get upset if she admits that how she’s repeatedly treated me is wrong.
Jamie never did anything against any of you guys. You just decided to get upset at him because he got angry about being in a wheelchair. And you continue to be upset at him, despite the fact that he has repeatedly apologized and tried to do better.
Like I said, you have the right to be upset at him for his initial response. But not to go around bullying him, doing what Miller admits is just making up shit so you can be angry at him. As I said, that’s just trolling for a fight, and is supposed to be against the rules.
BTW, if any errant 'raffers come in here: My response says nothing about my opinion of you guys. Just that Guin seems to only say shit about people if other people have made fun of them first, so she’s knows it’s okay.
I’m sorry, who here have I ever insulted or demeaned?
Somehow I think **Guin **can handle your insults without crying herself to sleep tonight (she can correct me if I’m wrong on that).
Anyway, you’re correct that Jamie never ‘did anything against us’ in the sense that he has not personally harmed us or affected our lives. But he posted things people disagreed with and then acted like an asshole when called on them. We didn’t ‘just decide to get upset at him’, we were responding to his abrasive and nasty attitude. That’s kind of how a message board works - there would be no pit if we were only allowed to get annoyed at people who had personally affected our lives.
You are reading this whole thread through your own sense of injustice. Actually to be honest I’m not sure you’ve read this whole thread at all if you think he’s been repeatedly apologizing and doing better.
He was referring to BigT’s response to Guin calling him Mister Rogers.
Do you want the answer with the mod hat on, or off?
Oh yeah? That asshole blocked me as I was parking in that fucking perfect spot.
Of course it was your decision to accept a settlement. It’s a rare surgeon that’s dumb enough to take this to trial. Set aside the actual facts of the case for a moment. If there’s even a small chance that they lose the case, they likely face a judgement in excess of what their insurance will cover, which means personal financial ruin. Would you be willing to take a 5-10% chance on that? On top of that, time spent in court and preparing for the case is time not spent you know, actually working. For a busy surgeon this amounts to thousands of dollars a day lost in billing and a huge inconvenience to your partners, colleagues and referral base, as well as a ton of stress. Or you could swallow your pride, settle the damn case, let your insurance pay for it, and commiserate with all of your colleagues who generally deal with this type of thing every 6-7 years on average.
Yeah, sure. So did the defense.
Heh. I bet the surgeon wanted it to be over more. And they weren’t putting a pricetag on your life. It was a pricetag on making you go away and avoiding the hassle and risk of a trial.
This is an important point right here. The quality of your claim has little (not nothing, but little) with you getting paid. Your claim could be complete bullshit and there would still be a risk in taking before a jury. At that point you have dueling medical experts trying to convince a panel of laypeople and anything can happen. Anyone remember the OJ trial and the DNA evidence? You really want to risk personal financial ruin on the ability of nonmedical personnel to understand complex medical decision making? Or perhaps they feel sorry for a young person who was abruptly paralyzed for life (even if it was entirely his own fault due to driving drunk and/or recklessly) and feel that he could really use the money and really, it’s the insurance company/hospital that takes the hit, right? (not really actually but they don’t necessarily know that) If you actually lose in court the cost is enormous, accounting for the age of the patient and the expected cost of care over a lifetime, pain and suffering, etc, and can easily be tens of millions. It’s really never worth that risk. Insurance is there for a reason. And if the hospital lawyers are involved, they are going to want to settle nearly 100% of the time. That’s because hospital lawyers are smart, and don’t have egos to speak of.
So a even a fairly “frivolous” claim involving a paralysis in an otherwise healthy young man would probably settle in the low end of 7 figures, if I had to pull a number completely out of my ass. It varies tremendously depending on a host of factors, not least of which the state in which you are practicing and the state of tort reform. How much did you get?
And people, jamie was pitted for being a douche. His disability is tangential to that. I’ve lurked here for years and this is the first time I’ve felt compelled to post in the pit. He’s just that annoying. To borrow a quote:
“Just because someone’s a member of a […] minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty small-minded little jerk […]”
-- (Terry Pratchett, Feet of Clay)Will you please shut up, you infantile twat? Just crawl back into your basement, hide under your blankie and suck your thumb and let the grownups handle things without your whining?
No-one…not one single Doper*…likes your incessant, pious, snivelly “white-knighting”.
If you can’t handle the pit, then stay the fuck out–you’ll be happier and so will every other Doper.
*Yeah, yeah. Someone will come in now and say “Ooh! I do!”. Doesn’t count-they didn’t do it before.
BigT: It’s “Mod hat off!” season!
Fenris: “Mod hat on” season
BigT: It’s “Mod hat off!” season!
Fenris: “Mod hat on”
BigT: “Mod hat off!”
Fenris: “Mod hat off!”
BigT: I say “MOD HAT ON”!
Miller Fudd: Ok. <mod hat on> BigT, shut up and quit Junior Modding. Also, quit being a whiney douche. </mod hat on>
BigT (to Fenris): :eek: I…hate you.
Fenris: I understand. I’ve been bad. Tell you what Miller. You wanna warn me now, or wait 'till you get home?
BigT: Warn him now! Warn him now!
Fenris: You keep outta this: he doesn’t have to warn you now!
BigT: He does too have to warn me now. So warn me now. < sticks tongue out at Fenris > Nyahh.
Miller Fudd: Ok. BigT, this is an offical warning.
BigT: You’re dithpicable.