Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022)

If Trump took a shit on their faces, they would call him “generous”

I am reminded of this scene:

My problem is that I wasn’t even trying. :roll_eyes:

I am amused at the double entendre here. He’s a mogul in the sense of business tycoon, and he’s a mogul as in a big lump in the way of forward progress.

She did not have authority over them.

Just to reiterate; it doesn’t matter whether she did enough or not, she didn’t call the shots. Other people had authority over the police.

Just another Republican Lie.

I’m glad I was able to ketchup with everything that happened. Very grateful for the commentary and notes provided here!

Has anyone tried yet to spine this along the lines of “Trump was really so worried about the the rule of law he wanted to go the Capitol so he could personally fight to protect Congress while Nancy cowered in a bunker?” I feel like I’m channeling Kate McKinnon’s impression of Kellyanne Conway now.

They’re doing a pretty thorough job of showing a conspiracy to overturn the election, if not overthrow the government. It’s up to the DOJ, of course, to determine what (if any) charges are brought, and against whom. There would now seem to be a case for suborning perjury of witnesses, as well.

See, it doesn’t matter whether she had the authority or not-- it’s still her fault. That’s how that works.

“How dare you fail to adequately defend yourselves against us!”

Here’s a pretty blatant showing of my ignorance - What is the role of congressional hearings in this process? Is the feeling that they are able to get at info that a prosecution couldn’t? Is that the result of Congress’ presumed “power”? I think it may be fatigue and apathy on my part, but after 2 unsuccessful impeachments and the useless SCt hrgs, I’m feeling this is largely political theater. Hope I’m wrong.

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IMO they’re doing a really good job of following lines of inquiry and digging up witnesses who will actually testify. While some of the testimony is hearsay, it corroborates other witness testimony. They are basically being the investigative arm for the DOJ and will turn over everything they have to them. Part of it is political theater, but the Republicans had every opportunity to be a part of the committee and shot themselves in the foot.

Thx. I hope you are correct and it leads to prosecutions. Because recent history strongly suggests that half our population are pretty impervious to anything short of that.

While the Committee’s investigation and the DOJ’s investigation share the same sets of facts, evidence and testimony, the purpose of each investigation is quite different.

The Committee’s investigation is for the purpose of determining what changes need to be made to protect the legislative branch from such an attack ever occurring again. Recommendations will be made to pass laws with respect to how the Electoral College count is performed; to beef up security at the Capitol building and other such things.

The DOJ’s investigation is for the purpose of determining if crimes were committed, by whom, and if they should proceed to indictment, prosecution and conviction.

So again, while these 2 investigations share many common interests, they are for two entirely different purposes.

One of the advantages of the Committee’s investigation is that it is public-facing. They are at liberty to put everything in a public spotlight so the public is aware of what they are learning.

The DOJ does not do this. Their investigations are kept secret unless/until someone is charged with a crime.

Because Mueller’s investigation was conducted under the auspices of the DOJ, he was prohibited from sharing his findings until he issued his final report. The Trump administration took full advantage of this, plumping the public with endless accusations of Mueller’s “witch hunt.” Won’t happen this time.

Glenn Kirschner covers the method to the madness (17 min).

They serve a legislative purpose. After they determine what happened and why, they can propose legislation to prevent it from happening again.

Thx. Pretty much what I thought. Like I said, tho - if prosecutions do not follow, … And I doubt meaningful Congressional changes can be done solely along party lines.

I am confident prosecutions will follow based on the bits of information that has begun to peek out from DOJ and their active investigations.

I’m less confident of convictions. But not because the evidence won’t be there. It will be.