“Pueblos”? Huh? What? You know a lot of people “who live on Native American Pueblos”? Are they Cherokee? Choctaw, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Huron, Iroquois? Sioux, Paiute, Kickapoo? Da fuq?
Gods it’s funny when someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about tries to be funny but ends up looking like an ass. 
There is a Native American Pueblo next to my HOUSE, genius, and I drive through several every day. And yes…I know a lot of folks who live on the pueblo (Zia, Santa Ana, Zuni, Jemez to name a few). I used to do consulting work for e-Rate eligible schools in the South West and most of my clients were NA tribes with charter schools.
Indeed. Couldn’t have said it better.
You could have said it, but you still think you are making some sort of point and still don’t think you look like an ass in all of this. But, to tone things down, do you really not know what a ‘Native American Pueblo’ is, or that some of the tribes in the South West are CALLED Puebloan Peoples? Or did you have some other obscure point you were trying to make? Perhaps something along the lines of ‘oh, sure…XT knows Native Americans? :dubious:’?
Just for the record, if Liz is a ‘Native American’ then so am I…I have about a quarter Pueblo Indian in my own background on my fathers side (Yaqui according to my grandmother). I probably speak about as much Yaqui as Liz speaks whatever language whatever tribe she thinks she has blood from does, but unlike her I know for a fact that I have Native American blood since not only do I have my grandmothers word on that, I HAVE gotten the DNA testing done.
Sure he can. He’s as white as Vicente Fox. http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/OPINION/09/06/hadden.latin.america.9.11/t1larg.hadden.gerry_latinamerica.jpg
Us Yanks have the idea that Mexicans are always little brown people. T’ain’t so.
The mustache is a give-away, though. Always with the mustache!!
But Jeb did convert to Catholicism, so I he may have been kicked out of the WASP club.
Yours is an interesting notion of “toning it down”.
“My good fellow, our discussion has become heated, allow me to move us to a more cordial atmosphere by insulting your intelligence and peeing on your shoes!”
My original point stands: that someone can be solidly of an ethnic derivation (Irish as Paddy’s pig, in this instance of a St. Patrick’s parade) and not necessarily speak much of the language. Now, that is open to debate and contradiction, it is simply my view.
I am blessed with some Cherokee, the precise ratio is impossible to determine, as is so often the case. If I go online and learn one hundred words in Cherokee, I will not be any more Cherokee than I already am. Such is my reasoning. In no wise does that opinion depend on what the correct definition of “pueblo/Pueblo” may be.
I think your use of the word is extraordinarily flexible, but it hardly matters.
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Yours is an interesting notion of “toning it down”.
“My good fellow, our discussion has become heated, allow me to move us to a more cordial atmosphere by insulting your intelligence and peeing on your shoes!”
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And you have such a beautiful way of throwing hydrogen on the fire, but doing so in a manner you seem to figure no one will notice.
And you STILL haven’t explained what you meant in the original post I quoted from you, but then I expect that, having now Googled the term you can see why you looked silly.
Sure they can. They can claim a heritage even if they know zero about the culture OR the language. My own children don’t speak Spanish and have never even been to Mexico, for instance (they have eaten Mexican food and we do have some vestigial family traditions from Mexico) , and they look (and sound) about as anglo as one can. They are, for all intents and purposes, pure 100% Americans. Yet they can legally claim to be Hispanic (hell, they could claim to be Native American for that matter, being 1/8). I have no problem with folks identifying themselves as whatever they like, since personally I consider race an entirely bogus and made up thing anyway…which is why on official documents I usually fuck with the people reading it by putting Human in the Other category.
So, I don’t really care if Liz has NA blood or not, or whether she claims to or not, in the end. That’s entirely up to her.
Looked it up, did we? Still no idea what your issue was, but what the hell…I’m sure I’ll never get a straight answer out of you regardless. FTR, in THESE parts (basically throughout the south west) ‘pueblo/Pueblo’ is basically an NA village, usually with adobe houses…and in most of them that I’ve been to, most folks speak at least a little of their local tribes language and, of course, participate in tribal cultural events.
And I think your parochial view point is shinning through and you lashed out at me without taking the time to bother looking it up OR asking me what I mean, except in a sarcastic and completely 'luci sort of way. C’est la vie, bon ami. It hardly matters, as you say. And this entire subject hardly matters either, yet here we are.
Apropos nothing but curiosity, I did some netting on the question of whether or not there are any full-blooded Cherokee in America today. Shallow reading of consensus is no, there aren’t. But millions of Americans have some percentage of Cherokee blood!
So, Andy Jackson (who roasts on a spit in Hell) tried to wipe out the Cherokee, but instead infused their blood with America, where it lives to this day. Kind of beautiful, in a tragic sort of way.
*There was also some purely incidental stuff about the BQ, the “blood quotient” widely used for the purposes of acknowledgement of tribal membership, some quite high, some very low. My son, the Err Apparent, might qualify, and be called “Snow on Fish Belly, Who Burns in Flashlight”.
Me, I will be known as “Dances with Vulvas”.
Blood quantum, not quotient.
Washte.
No, its wash-sheesh-tay, meaning “white man who makes George Clooney look like buffalo flop”.
Wasechu Clooney Pta Chesli
Meh. I’m no Jeb fan, but it just looks like a dumb mistake in filling out a form, as the OP’s article mentions. No one thinks for a nanosecond that uber-WASPy Jeb Bush is actually Hispanic, or that he would win any votes by indicating otherwise.
I have high cheekbones. I also speak Spanish. Will this come up?
I live in a state that was subject to the Voting Rights Act, and have no recollection of every placing my race or ethnicity on any voter record. I am also updating my registration in Texas, and I only see an optional scroll down for gender.
(With scroll down buttons, it is easy to enter something by mistake!)
As far as Jeb Bush is concerned; culturally, he has a solid case for being “Hispanic.” However, these labels are not primarily based on culture but on geographic and ethnic origin - which is still a very slippery and intangible concept. I am sure there is a Santiago Busch in Argentina or Jaime Bosch in Chile who have a very similar genetic and cultural profile to Jeb Bush - but they would be Hispanic without question in this sense.