Jedi dies like a punk (spoiler, and rant)

[Merijeek]

@ArchiveGuy

You know what’s even more fun? When you post when you actually know what you’re talking about! You should try it sometime.

Chapter 41 of Ep2 DVD.

Shots 14-16

DOOKU: “Brave, but foolish my old Jedi friend. You’re impossibly outnumbered.”
MACE: “I don’t think so.”
DOOKU: “We’ll see.”

Wow, that mistake was so idiotic, are you sure you aren’t a Jedi, too? :rolleyes:

OOh, you’re mean.

Take a look around during that scene and tell me where the

Dooku (surrounded by tens of thousands of Genoisians as well as a whole army of battle droids): “You’re hopelessly outnumbered.”

He didn’t say that when he was surrounded by an army of battle droids. And boy, those tens of thousands of Geonosians sure jumped on the Jedi, dind’t they?

And, in case you haven’t noticed, every Jedi seems to be quite overconfident. The only one it seems to play out well for is Obi-Wan.

-Joe

[Rufus_Xavier]

@ArchiveGuy

Well, Jackson’s line delivery certainly doesn’t make him sound like he’s merely nitpicking about the adverb. And the only reason they didn’t all get killed was because of the Yoda ex machina. By the time they were in their final little defiance circle, they were impossibly outnumbered.

True. However, at the time Windu says “I don’t think so,” the thousands of droid warriors have not yet entered the arena. From Mace’s POV, all Dooku has is a bunch of unarmed Geonosians, while Mace has about 100 Jedi Knights.

[Ike_Witt]

@Merijeek

And, in case you haven’t noticed, every Jedi seems to be quite overconfident.

And Yoda says as much.

@Rufus Xavier

at the time Windu says “I don’t think so,” the thousands of droid warriors have not yet entered the arena. From Mace’s POV, all Dooku has is a bunch of unarmed Geonosians, while Mace has about 100 Jedi Knights.

At the time Mace said it I don’t think that all the Jedi in the arena had made themselves known. In fact wasn’t that the cue for them to pull out the lightsabres?

You all can say what you want about Lucas, but the fact that almost every aspect of every frame of film is hotly debated tells me that he has done something right. I said this in another thread, but I owe GL a debt of gratitude for making me feel like a 9 year old kid when I see “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away”. That is the magic of the Star Wars universe. The fact that the entire story doesn’t meet some abstract standard for being rock solid and having no holes doesn’t change my enjoyment of them at all.

[Merijeek]

@adam yax

And Yoda says as much.

Which is kind of funny when you consider that Yoda suffered from it, too. He seemed pretty damned confident that he was going to give Palpatine a thorough ass-kicking.

-Joe

[Miller]

@ArchiveGuy

Well, Jackson’s line delivery certainly doesn’t make him sound like he’s merely nitpicking about the adverb. And the only reason they didn’t all get killed was because of the Yoda ex machina. By the time they were in their final little defiance circle, they were impossibly outnumbered.

But surely Mace Windu was counting on Yoda showing up with the clones. After all, since the entire OP of this thread relies on the idea that the Jedi are all seeing and all knowing, how could he have not known Yoda would arrive in the nick of time?

[MovieMogul]

@Rufus Xavier

True. However, at the time Windu says “I don’t think so,” the thousands of droid warriors have not yet entered the arena. From Mace’s POV, all Dooku has is a bunch of unarmed Geonosians, while Mace has about 100 Jedi Knights.

No, they knew that this was the site for a major droid factory, so it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that some of those droids might be waiting around. Plus, they knew that there were at least some droids (the badass droidekas) waiting in the wings of the arena already.

And the Geonossians aren’t unarmed, either, as that weird pulse cannon proved.

[MovieMogul]

@Miller

But surely Mace Windu was counting on Yoda showing up with the clones. After all, since the entire OP of this thread relies on the idea that the Jedi are all seeing and all knowing, how could he have not known Yoda would arrive in the nick of time?

Yeah, I suspect that’s what Mace had in mind, though he probably could’ve said something that didn’t make him look quite so clueless (since he did get his ass tooled, YdM notwithstanding). Plus, they never mention where they got all those gunships–did the Republic just have them lying around? Why would they, if they didn’t have an army? Did the Kaminoans build those, too? Seems unlikely (we’re Cloners and Mechanics!).

Anyway, this is all besides the point, because, as I’ve stated elsewhere, the main argument behind why Jedi Are Stupid is something much more devestating. “I don’t think so” is a relative footnote by comparison.

[sturmhauke]

@ArchiveGuy

Plus, they never mention where they got all those gunships–did the Republic just have them lying around? Why would they, if they didn’t have an army? Did the Kaminoans build those, too? Seems unlikely (we’re Cloners and Mechanics!).

Well, the clones were created to be an army, and an army needs equipment. Clearly the equipment was planned at the same time as the clones, because they have a bunch of proto-star destroyers too. I suppose Lucas could have shown the war factories as well as the cloning tanks, but it’s not really necessary to the story.

[Merijeek]

@sturmhauke

Well, the clones were created to be an army, and an army needs equipment. Clearly the equipment was planned at the same time as the clones, because they have a bunch of proto-star destroyers too. I suppose Lucas could have shown the war factories as well as the cloning tanks, but it’s not really necessary to the story.

Again, people trying to find fault with any little thing.

Maybe we could have had a really kewl FX sequence with a UPS ship swinging by Kamino and delivering the equipment to the clone army. It could be wickedkewl!

Of course, then we get the bitching about “pointless CGI scenes” and how Lucas is such a hack because of all the needless exposition…

-Joe