Jeez, can't we just save ourselves some trouble and just Ban Hitler apologists/deniers?

Are you proposing that we create a new rule? If so, how would you word it? Saying nice things about Hitler is a bannable offense?

As it is, these guys always break so many existing rules that they get banned quickly. I don’t really see a problem. Ideally, posters such as GermanicPride would generate no replies, and their threads would sink on their own. But that’ll never happen here.

Occasionally there is something to be learned from these threads though. His point about the number of murdered at Auschwitz and the rebuttals by other posters certainly taught me something. If I’d met a holocaust denier in person I wouldn’t have known how to refute that point, now I do. Other people might have heard that claim and not known the truth behind it. Deniers or conspiracy theorists occasionally quote ‘facts’ that sound reasonable or make sense and you can always rely on SDMB posters to strain out the truth while leaving the bullshit behind. It wont make the OP change their mind but it might educate those on the sidelines.

Plus, and I hope you don’t judge me too harshly for this, I often find their viewpoints and the inevitable shitstorm and meltdown highly amusing.

This more or less makes my point, though some last a bit longer.

Well, I daresay him calling people who disagreed with his views on Hitler “Zionist scumbags” may have been a tad excessive.

Yeah. Not everyone who disagreed with him were Zionists. :wink:

White supremacists make up a significant portion of my patient population. Fortunately they roll off my back like a duck.

They pretty much always get banned. They way we do it now is that they first get a chance to get their message out to a wider audience and their pet website gets a few mentions, then they get banned.

If we’re going to insta-ban anybody I vote it be pedos rather than Nazis. For whatever reason I find pedos much more distasteful.

I agree with Little Nemo and disagree with the OP. The best way to to banish the darkness is with the light. Bright, blinding light…plus a healthy measure of scorn, ridicule and a good old fashion 'doper pile on. Insta-banning someone for being a Nazi asshole is, IMHO, a slippery slope…once you do that, why not insta-ban Truthers, or other CT nutters (that’s what a Hitler apologist or Holocaust denier is after all)?

It’s better to take these guys down by the normal 'doper posting community, and when they fuck up and break the actual rules THEN have the Mods step in with warnings and, if they keep fucking up, ban their ass. Sure, it’s more work, and different 'dopers burn out on a subject at different times, but there is ALWAYS someone in the community ready and willing to step up to lay some smack down on some clown pushing some ridiculous CT or silly theory.

-XT

Write the rule that we’d use, then. Did GermanicPride post about Stormfront? AFAIK, it was other posters who did.

He’s now been banned for gems including:

We try not to ban people for having the wrong ideas, but yes, it was obvious this was going to happen as soon as somebody called GermanicPride signed up. We try to give people latitude to express some repugnant ideas civilly; not surprisingly, this one failed to do so. So he’s banned.

I’ll second this as well, since I learned the same thing I hadn’t previously known. No, we’re not going to change the minds of the Hitler apologists. But we may help arm those who encounter them in other fora, which is part of the wider fight against ignorance.

The threads aren’t really for the apologist or CT nutter. In all the years I’ve been here I’ve never seen one of these true believers learn a gods damned thing in one of these threads. Generally, they post for a while, and are overwhelmed by the smackdown being put on the top of their bony little heads, and eventually slink off back to whatever rock they crawled out from. No, the purpose of these threads is for the lurkers…and, also, for the folks who will be doing a Google or Bing search in the future, will see the thread, will be on the fence or not really know much about it, will open the thread and read through it and see how ridiculous the denier or CT nutter or vaxer or whatever looks and is made to look, and will come out of it knowing a little more about the tactics to use when combating one of these idiots. I think the single biggest thing that has helped damp down the Truthers has been debunking articles and shows on popular cable channels, shown over and over again…and boards like ours, who have consistently allowed these fools in and given them their chance to present their pitiful evidence, and then smacking them down and clearly making them flee with their tails firmly tucked between their legs.

-XT

Cite that the gravitron has been found. If not then gravity does not exist.

It concerns me that if we ban the Holocaust denier threads because - let’s face it – those people are racist assholes, that the next step will be to ban the birther threads for the same reason. Then it’s a short (and “justifiable”) step to ban the 9/11 threads, because those people are whackjobs, then all the other CT threads. After that, we can clear away the atheists/theists threads and so on.

I vote for scorn and ridicule.

I was with you until the last step, kunilou, not that I expect any of those types of thread to be banned.

And, what if we had banned Jack Dean Tyler on his first day here? Huh? Huh? :smiley:

Nuke them from orbit.
It’s the only way to be sure.

Naw…just prick their thumb and toss them into the Straight Dope waters. Just a little blood in the water and assuming the right folks pick up on the thread and you’ll have a good old fashion SD feeding frenzy. :stuck_out_tongue:

-XT

I have had mixed feelings about this for years, but logic and reason seem to dictate that all points of view should be accepted and subjected to the same basic rigor regardless of the perceived inanity of the notion. If we can’t combat ignorance with logic and reason, then I suggest we may not be in the right place (or, alternatively, ignorance has won and we should all just pack it in and go home to barricade ourselves in our anti-ignorance shelters.)

I do like the idea that our posts are useful in giving a sane and reasoned reply to all of the anti-science notions that seem to grow like mushrooms after a spring rain. Doing so in a classy manner is just the cherry on top.