Because, you’re using egregious hyperbole when talking about Macs. Usually a sign that someone has little experience with them.
I don’t have to read the Bible to know most of it is bullshit.
Edit: And can you explain to this simple PC user what ‘egregious’ and ‘hyperbole’ mean?
edit2: I would like to apologise for getting quite nasty with you. But I still disagree with your argument.
I’m sure you have a dictionary on your PC.
Tell me how the Mac is “bullshit”—in your own words.
(I’m not sure you understand what my argument is.)
I have a Logitech MX 600. Not new compared to what they got… But I fucking love this mouse. Perfect shape and button placement.
Left click, right click, scroll up-down, scroll click(open link new window/scroll lock), scroll button left (go back), scroll button right (open new tab), volume up, volume down, mute, side button 1 (close tab), side button 2 (minimize).
And I can customize all of the actions to anything I want.
I have serious issues when I use other people’s computers now. I can’t use the 2 click/scroll… It’s just not enough for me.
Well, I used an analogy, The Mac isn’t bullshit, nor is it a Bible. You can substitute “Bullshit” for “Poncy and self-congratulatory”
I think your argument is that Macs make things simpler and PCs make things complicated. I’m not disagreeing with that.
What I am doing is bullying you because you posted those picture comparrisons, and the one depicting the Mac seems to be making the point that Macs are Amazing or something. I was immediately reminded of the Article I posted.
MY point is that Macs are not the heavenly pieces of perfection that Apple would have you believe, and Mac users are not very convincing defenders of Macs.
MY original point in this thread is why make things complicated when it is possible to make the exact same task much easier by incorporating a small amount of sophisticated programming (like remembering all the things you did in an open dialog box so that next time you use it all those changes remain changed)
edit: And my defence for my bullying is that you (and another Doper) seemed to be bullying those of us who would appreciate things being simpler by making out that we are dicks for not ‘learning our rigs’ and by the way, calling it a ‘Rig’ is a little bit tosserish.
Who? Me or them? If them, of course they would - for safety’s sake (which doesn’t apply to any computer I’ve used). The driver’s training, in my experience, covers the interface very quickly, and mainly concentrates on how to interact with other road users. Again not really relevant to computers.
I would buy them whichever they preferred. I learnt to drive a manual (stick) car, but now drive an automatic. I prefer achieving my aims by going down the simplest route. Why expend energy if you don’t have to?
This is devolving into a Mac vs. PC war. I don’t want any part of that. I don’t decry PCs, they are very capable machines. Always have been. I can see why someone would choose to buy/use one. It’s a damn computer, just like the Mac. Learn to use what you bought, and shad’up about it.
My argument isn’t about the hardware or software, it’s about the user. If the user buys something complicated, and doesn’t expect there’ll be some learning that goes with it… then they’re dolts.
I don’t care if you’re 80 years old. If you’re of sound mind, you can learn. These things are made to be used by anyone with a 1st grade education. It’s really not that hard.
Hey, the car analogy was yours. I’m just letting you poke the holes in it.
OK I’ll drop the Mac vs PC thing.
People don’t have much choice in the matter - If they want a computer they’ll probably get a PC (they may want to play most games, but I’m not saying that as a dig at Macs) therefore they have very limited choice of OSs - Windows XP (quickly becoming obsolete) Windows Vista, or one of the Linux jobbies.
AND, It’s a little harsh to tell people to learn their computers and shut up. This is the Pit, this is what people do in the Pit, if yuo don’t want to hear people complaining then why on earth are you here? I suspect you WANTED to come in here and bully people.
Edit: Not to mention the difference in cost. (as a limiting factor in what OS a person will end up with)
OK. Fair enough. Let me amend what I wrote. When I use a product, I would think that the easier it is to use, the more sophisticated it is.
I thought the pics were saying that:
PC’s = flashy “star trek” computers, complete with lights, dials, and complicated interfaces. Doesn’t look great, but can you can tinker with it to your hearts content.
Macs = simplified interfaces, almost to the point of being too simplified because it meets an aesthetic ideal.
Fair enough.
My Star Trek vs. Monolith post was a joke that one is overly-complicated (What do all these fucking buttons do?!) and the other was overly-simplified (where the hell are the buttons on this fucking thing?!).
Again… the two different philosophies of the different companies, that’s all. They both work if you learn how. You project your disdain onto the other at your own folly.
If I had to learn Windows, I would (admittedly, begrudgingly). Thank God I don’t… yet.
And what makes a PC so much more difficult to use than a Mac? I’ve only used them a few times. Seems generally the same to me. Just a different layout.
The only thing people argue is they “will never get viruses”… Shit, I don’t even have “virus software” on my PC. I use the Windows firewall and that’s it. I’ve been running this machine the last year almost non-stop (I have turned the computer off maybe 3 times only to restart after an installation. Really difficult to restart a computer :rolleyes:) and always connected to the internet. No viruses here.
Agreed.
But there’s a lot of room for definition there. Is it sophisticated in it’s simplicity, or it’s complexity? A rule-of-thumb: the more complicated something is, the more things there are to go haywire. On the flip side, don’t make things too simple, as to cripple or undermine its use.
I never once said that Macs are better than PCs, or one is easier than the other. What I am saying, is learn the rig (and the consequences that go along with the rig you bought into). That’s all.
But it’s pretty straightforward to adjust to such minor changes. It’s mainly down to a visual check.
But that’s my point: it *should *be easy.
Oh. I thought you were making a rationalization that Macs can be used by people with 1st grade educations.
Or are PCs and Macs made for 1st graders?..
I’m so lost.
Easy is all well and good. Intuitive is another thing entirely, as everyone has their own intuition, especially if that intuition has been honed with one way over another.
Yes, PCs and Macs are both usable (on the face of it) by children. Have been for over a couple decades.
True sophistication is to make the ultimately complex product completely intuitive to use.