Jesus is God.

Great Debates
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I believe that Jesus is God. You can tell from how loving and wise He was. He said, ‘I and the Father are one.’ And it was also said of Him that He would be called Wonderful, Counselor, Might God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Jesus is the everlasting Father. He is Love itself.

God does not get angry. He does not frown on us or punish us. The only punishment that we receive is from ourselves. Our wicked ways punish us.

God is always looking down on us with love. He is always smiling at us. :slight_smile:

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I thought Clapton was God?

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Well, that settles it.

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You know, the only thing I find surprising is that the username RedRain was still available.

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I believe that God doesn’t exist. And Jesus, if he did exist was just a stinking primitive in ass-end of the middle-east.

I further think that wisdom from stinking primitives is best evaluated carefully before being embraced fully.

That said, the OP is incoherent. If God is all powerful and created the system we exist in, He is certainly responsible for our punishments.

An omnipotent God doesn’t need to create a hell. He would have decide that torturing people forever was a good idea. And that sort of God is a twat.

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God values freedom above all things because He knows that we can’t be happy without it. He must allow for hell so that we can be free. I don’t see that making Him a twat. I see that as mercy.

We couldn’t be happy without freedom. Do you not agree?

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"The symbolism of the Goddess is not a parallel structure to the symbolism of God the Father. The Goddess does not rule the world. She is the world. Manifest in each of us, She can be known internally by every indivdual, in all her magnificent diversity.” -

Starhawk

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Clapton is overrated. Hendrix is God, and Page is Jesus.

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That is utter nonsense. He could just have us exist without pain, or better yet, cease to exist and not have any sort of eternal consciousness. The only reason for allowing a sentient being to experience pain forever, when it is not necessary (which it isn’t, since God is supposedly omnipotent) is if you are evil.

Your devotion might make it hard to view this issue rationally.

Painful torture for all eternity isn’t a requisite for freedom.

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God choked to death on His own vomit, for our sins!

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No argument there!

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He did lose his only son, but Clapton has more money

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I have a different idea of hell than you. Hell is just a place to keep people in line who wish to do harm to others. The punishment is just like the punishment that prison serves as on earth.

Without the possibility of the worst, there can be no possibility of the best. You would need something to compare it to or it would in no way be real. You need opposing forces for either force to be real.

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If God values freedom because we can’t be happy without it, why wouldn’t he value our happiness higher? People claim freedom is more important than happiness, but give a person a choice between a torture chamber and a reasonably decent life in a dictatorship and most choose the latter.

God could have easily created something far less abusive than hell as an alternative to let us explore our freedom. As an example, Christians believe during the ‘end days’ people who are banished to the dark regions will be banished forever. Zoroastrians believe the evil doers will be banished to hell, but only for 3 days. After those 3 days they will be purified and allowed into heaven. There is no reason the Christian god couldn’t make hell a temporary or painless place rather than a permanent and painful place.

A problem with religion is they always try to justify an amoral universe being created via a moral god. And you can’t.

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I would say that eternity in a cage is torture as well. But okay, you have a view of Hell as a warehouse.

Your view, since it has no evidence to support isn’t very compelling.

Eternal happiness in Heaven could easily be contrasted by oblivion.

Not true. I will give you one dollar or nothing. That’s possible. I don’t have to say I will take a dollar from you for the first option to be real.

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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
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Well, you could do it if God wasn’t omnipotent. Maybe He doesn’t have the ability to make a better world.

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So, God really is dead.

Only for people completely lacking in empathy.

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Oblivion wouldn’t be preferable than at least some existence with some joy. You might think so, but you’ve never not existed.

If you didn’t have the possibility of losing a dollar, receiving a dollar would be fairly pointless.

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Anyone who attempts to put even the worst prisoners (sociopathic serial child molesters and child killers as an example) into an actual recreation of hell would find themselves in prison for doing so. We humans treat each other better than the christian god treats us. Our ‘worst’ is no where near the worst the christian god has. Despite it, prisons do discourage crime.

And if god is all powerful why can’t he find a different way for us to know the difference between our worst and best?

Hell has been reserved for those who offend the sensibilities of the church throughout much of human history, not for ‘bad’ people. What is bad changes drastically from age to age. The torturers in the middle ages who tortured people for being jewish thought they were good and the people they were torturing bad.