jmullaney has submitted that God exists and Jesus is his son, and more audaciously, stated that there is no morality without christianity, because his teachings are ‘right’ (here). It’s my personal opinion that he is playing Devil’s advocate, but he hasn’t claimed to be. Regardless of the shaky foundations of this stance, he invited me to point out Jesus commandments which are ‘wrong’.
Right or wrong, there are instances where He was clearly mistaken, or acted inappropriately. I admit I am not the most knowledgable Bible-scholar, and I admit that its not the easiest thing to find objectionable phrases and actions that come directly from Jesus, but this is what I came up with after a short search. I realize we are judging him by the morals of our time, but for all our faults, I think we can agree we are living in more enlightened times. If his actions are the measurement of sin, and we are still being held to those standards, I see no reason why the comparison should be unfair. In the interests of fairness, I tried to stick to the New Testament, and statements or actions that are attributed to Jesus the Man, not His father, though of course we all know they are one and the same . Otherwise its just no contest.
[Matt. xxiv, 74-34; Luke xxi, 32.] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come … Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Obviously, many many generations have passed, and we still haven’t seen him. Or maybe we did, but Christians burned him at the stake.
- [Mark x, 15.] Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.*
If he’s telling the truth, then all of the conversions, epiphanies, and changes of heart in God’s favor have been for naught, if they took place after childhood. Therefore a person’s behavior and beliefs have no effect on their salvation. That’s wrong.
[Luke xix, 27.]But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Jesus or Hitler? You decide.
I realize I just violated my own rule [that I stole from somewhere, I forget], that being that anyone who brings up Hitler in an argument automatically loses that argument.
Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables.
He is clearly out of line here, disrupting the businesses of men trying to support their families. He may disapprove of their lifestyles, but his methods are clearly out of line.
*[John ii, 4.] And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? *
Now now, Jesus. Didn’t your parents teach you the commandments? Honor thy father and they mother (Lest I take ye over my knee and give ye a paddlin’).
Be not afraid of them that kill the body"
then threatened with violence himself…
[John viii, 59.] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself. [Matt. xii, 14-15.]Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence.
Clearly bad advice if he can’t be bothered to follow it himself.
These are all examples of poor behavior on Jesus’ part, or statements by Him with unjust implications. They certainly don’t exude that certain “something” that says ‘hey, this guy must be the Prince of Peace.’ Your assertion, jmullaney, that Christianity=morality is indefensible, if not lame.