Jews = Christ-killers

dropzone · April 16, 2002, 10:27pm

Listen, people. This discussion is going nowhere. Can we just “agree to agree” and be done with it?

Tamerlane · April 16, 2002, 11:00pm

What LindyHopper said. Also, the majority of Palestinians ( a rapidly decreasing majority to be sure, but 65% last figures I saw ) in Bethlehem, are, in fact, Christian .

Palestinian Christians have been emigrating out of the occupied territories in particular and the Middle East in general at fairly high rates for some time now, so they are a decreasing percentage of the Palestinian population on the ground in that region. But worldwide there are quite a few Palestinian Christians ( though they’ve certainly never been the majority ), overwhelmingly of Greek Orthodox persuasion. And, yes, most seem to share the prevalent anti-Israeli sentiments of Palestinians generally. Yasser Arafat’s wife is Christian and he has made some attempt ( and has had some success ) to co-opt said group. The rising popularity of militant Islamist groups such as Islamic Jihad among Palestinians in recent years ( who traditionally were rather more secular in outlook ), has however created a wedge.

Tamerlane

Tamerlane · April 16, 2002, 11:05pm

Oh and I believe one of Arafat’s former cabinet ministers in the Palestinian Authority was Christian as well.

Tamerlane

Cervaise · April 17, 2002, 12:12am

The Jews killing Jesus makes Jesus cry.

Three days later, of course. Otherwise it would just be weird.

Derleth · April 17, 2002, 2:46am

That has been my philosophy the whole time.

Thank you for articulating it.

dropzone · April 17, 2002, 2:58am

Excuse me, but I believe you fellows are posting in the wrong thread. The “How about we condemn the Palestinians AND the Israelis?” thread is elsewhere. We were discussing something else entirely.

Anamorphic · April 17, 2002, 5:21am

We Jews had nothing to do with it. I’m telling you, it was Prof. Plum, in the conservatory, with the candlestick.

istara · April 17, 2002, 6:35am

Actually you know - it raises something I hadn’t really thought much about - but Christian teaching (at least the teaching I got) is very retrospective. Very much about Jesus-having-died-but-he-was-supposed-to-anyway. Lots of filling in the gaps and inconsistencies to fit a certain picture, whether OT prophecies were truly fulfilled or not, or fulfilled in the way they were supposed to be. A bit like how people pick through Nostradamus today to find stuff that “fits” with modern events. But that’s the retrospective Christian viewpoint they taught us, the “sacrificial lamb” thing. Like the “felix culpa” - yes, Adam fell, but he was supposed to fall, so it was actually a good thing even though brought about by evil. Convenient…

betenoir · April 17, 2002, 7:51am

Didn’t Lenny Bruce have a whole bit about this?-

“They found a note. ‘We did it’. Signed ‘Morty’.”

capacitor · April 17, 2002, 8:21am

Besides, the Pharisees though that Yeshuah’s popularity will cause an uprising that will result in Israel’s total destruction by the Romans. The Romans certainly thought that he was a threat to the Empire, Pilate notwithstanding.

Anyway, Jesus absolved his Roman executioners and the Jewish mob favoring his execution over Barrabas’, saying, “Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do.”

Captain_Amazing · April 17, 2002, 2:08pm

Which they’d get behind. (the uprising part, not the total destruction part) It’s not like the Pharisees liked the Romans, and most of them wanted to see them overthrown.

Polycarp · April 17, 2002, 3:59pm

Yeah, Laurange, but can you sing the Herzliebster Jesu?

Spiratu · April 17, 2002, 7:54pm

Hey, keep your compassionate, wimpy forgiveness out of here! This is the Pit, and we’re looking for a scapegoat. If we ever need some wacko religion where we could just go and “forgive” people for things, we’ll call you.

Already_in_Use · April 18, 2002, 5:49am

I used to be a Lutheran, before I started my own sort of Dadaist cult (don’t ask; that’s a topic for another day), and I always thought the crux of the biscuit was that WE KILLED JESUS, “we” meaning humanity as a whole. The whole thing could thus be interpreted as proving that, yes, human weakness always triumphs over human goodness, but God’s grace prevails in the end (as shown by the Resurrection).

Then again, you know what? Don’t ask me. I just read the Bible for the dirty parts.

capacitor · April 18, 2002, 6:36am

Hey Spiratu, don’t stop eating donkey shit.

Ike_Witt · April 18, 2002, 4:17pm

One thing that has been running through my mind since I first read this thread is the uproar several years ago about an Ice T song, Cop Killer (or is it * Cop Killa*?)

I am also envisioning a secret police squad running around with pork coated bullets to shoot wayward Jews.

We Jews be ill. We be Christ Killaz.

Shodan · April 18, 2002, 5:10pm

Tamerlane and LindyHopper -

Point taken, although I would expect most of those in Hamas and Hezbollah are at least nominally Muslim, and they are the ones the IDF would say they are acting against.

It didn’t occur to me to link the cartoon to the hole-up in the Church of the Nativity. So either I am obtuse, or the cartoon was too subtle to get its point across. Or both.

Besides, the Jews didn’t kill baby Jesus in Bethlehem. Herod took a shot at it, but Joseph took Mary and Jesus and beat feet off to Egypt.

FWIW, the Romans actually did the execution of our Lord. Pilate is presented as considering it an internal matter among the Jews, and he consented to crucify Jesus to forestall a riot during Passover.

What the heck - I’m feeling generous.

I officially absolve all living Jews from the blood guilt of the death of Jesus. Go in peace, you’re off the hook. Didn’t the pope officially do this a few years back?

Someone then asked who was responsible. The response I heard was that they suspected the Puerto Ricans.

Regards,
Shodan

All right, all right - I’m joking about the PRs. Sheesh!

Shodan · April 18, 2002, 5:17pm