She has the whole of the GOP bank accounts and the kremlin’s behind her.
*Our Firm no longer represents Tara Reade. Our decision, made on May 20, is by no means a reflection on whether then-Senator Biden sexually assaulted Ms. Reade,” Wigdor wote. “On that point, our view — which is the same view held by the majority of Americans, according to a Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll — has not changed.”
Wigdor, a 2016 donor to President Trump and the Republican National Committee …*
Note that apparently that lawyer thinks that guilt or innocence should be decided by a poll.
Please do. You claim that there were quite a few, and you made a claim that we are all being hypocrites, but you have not actually backed your claim one iota, just made the assertion that it was true, with absolutely no evidence.
So, since you say that there were quite a few people saying “I’m going to vote for him anyway, even if he did it”, then give me some examples. I’m actually very curious as to what you will say is equivalent to what you have claimed.
I was among those who said I’d vote for Biden anyway, and I don’t regret saying it.
When I vote for president, I am not strictly voting for one individual; I’m voting for the party and its political interests, which are my political interests.
Yes, you could rightly point out that Republicans make that same justification for supporting Kavanaugh - I don’t care. And the reason I don’t care is because Kavanaugh was appointed for life, whereas Biden won primary elections and thus is a direct representation of 11 million or so people. Whether to put him down as the official nominee - not a done deal yet, I’d add - is strictly a matter of whether he’s electable, in my view.
But the other reason I don’t care is that the presidency is a damn powerful institution and it needs to be in the hands of someone who supports public institutions. The balance of power between oligarchs and ordinary people hangs in the balance.
I’ll grant that Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh weren’t damning. After so many years, it’d be very difficult for any allegations to be damning.
But Kavanaugh’s response to them absolutely was damning. When the best defense you have against “He tried to rape me at an underaged drinking party” is to produce a list of all of your many underaged drinking parties during that time frame, that’s a problem. And when your best answer to “Are you an alcoholic?” is “I like beer. Do you like beer?”, it should be clear that you have no place in any courtroom, much less the Supreme Court.
Exactly. I have opinions and inclinations about Ford’s allegations, but what should have stopped his nomination was his own words and actions in response to those allegations and questioning. He didn’t demonstrate the temperament and character necessary to be a hall monitor, much less a SCOTUS justice.
And needs to be occupied by someone who clearly understands what the office entails. Trump’s understanding is limited to “Democrats bad! Democrats named ‘Obama’ really bad!”
I see. Do you also go into to other threads and call out the Republicans in them for hypocrisy?
Exactly. I understand why Jim Jordan acts like a pompous ass. But he still has to face the electorate every 2 years even in a heavily gerrymandered district.
Hmmm, of course you would. 
I tend to kinda skim across your posts.
I personally would have difficulty voting for him if the worst of the allegations, as given were entirely true. I don’t know 100% that I wouldn’t but it would make that a very difficult choice. I imagine it would be similar to a conservative having to make the choice of voting for Trump. Dismissing the horrificness of the man in order to get the judges that I want?
Put Biden against Trump, if the allegations against Biden is completely true, it’s still gonna be hard. Such things are not just a mistake. If it came out that while he was on some sort of prescribed medication, he accidentally groped her, then she may have reason to feel aggrieved towards him, but it doesn’t speak to his character.
If he actually pushed her up against a wall and violently shoved his fingers inside of her, then that is not the character of a man that I want in the whitehouse, and I certainly wouldn’t vote for Trump, but the third parties would be getting a new temporary member.
Though I’d rather see a brokered convention, where we get a new candidate that I could vote for.
I can understand supporting him in spite of his alleged actions, that one may feel that the overarching issues are greater than the man, but when the man is the symbol of those overarching issues, we need to do better.
But, no, her allegations are not credible, and I wll have no problem* voting for Biden in the fall.
To save Kearsen1 some trouble, do you know who else in this thread has said that they would vote for Biden even if they knew that he had committed sexual assault?
*by no problem, I mean from my ethical perspective. I do think that we may have some problems with voting in general in the fall.
I’ve uncovered further evidence of Biden lying so now we don’t know who to believe.
It’s so tricky with all these people who are definitely lying about sexual abuse because they lied in the past.
In Biden’s case now it is because he lied about getting arrested in South Africa for being a not-racsist and being good at college school work.
Pattern of lying, don’t believe him.
Wow, exciting! Have you told the New York Times? But if you want a big payoff, probably best to go directly to the Trump reelection campaign.
Just to clarify, K9, were we to discover that Biden had actually assaulted someone, I’d rather a brokered convention select a back-up myself. But assuming it’s too late for that, if it’s down to Biden v Trump, then that choice is still easy. I would think it’s a shitty individual against a shitty individual, but I’d be voting for a sane and progressive party against a shitty party, so yeah, one-time sex offender over a guy who brags about sex offenses on a hot mic who represents a party of sociopaths - every time.
Just to clarify, K9, were we to discover that Biden had actually assaulted someone, I’d rather a brokered convention select a back-up myself. But assuming it’s too late for that, if it’s down to Biden v Trump, then that choice is still easy. I would think it’s a shitty individual against a shitty individual, but I’d be voting for a sane and progressive party against a shitty party, so yeah, one-time sex offender over a guy who brags about sex offenses on a hot mic who represents a party of sociopaths - every time.
You realize, it’s not just “Oh, Reade lied about her dress size” or “Reade lied about having read Moby Dick” or “Reade lied about having seen Cheap Trick in concert”. This is about Reade lying about things to grift people and Reade lying about her time working in Biden’s office and Reade lying about her credentials as they tie to assault and abuse survivors. And, of course, Reade’s ever-changing story regarding the alleged assault. If you can tie Biden talking about S. Africa or college or plagiarizing from speeches, etc to his defense of these allegations then you should do that. Throwing out some “Biden told a lie lol now I guess it’s a tie!” nonsense just looks weak.
Yes I think you are mostly there in understanding. This isn’t about cheerleading for a side or getting paid to say things. It’s about dismissing claims of sexual harassment for bad reasons.
It’s harmful to victims of abuse. You don’t have to have a perfect past to have been a victim.
That tense feeling of how to tie reality to ingrained thoughts is good if you don’t fight it too much. It’s like a seatbelt holding you. Gentle does it and there’s no latch to open the seatbelt. Possibly a bad analogy.
But she’s clearly got no credibility, and the specific details in her allegations are implausible – that’s a good reason to
But her story isn’t real, so you can stop worrying about her and focus more on real victims.
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This seems unfair. 48 Democrat senators voted against Kavanaugh; the most stated reason for voting again Kavanaugh was due to the testimony of one person. Susan Collins was lambasted for daring to confirm him. Democrats were certainly willing to act like all women should be believed when it was politically expedient. Now…not so much. So yeah, I’d say at least on this stage both parties are equally hypocritical (although in different ways).
If Democrats were to come out and say “Mea culpa; we were wrong to put so much weight behind a single accusation. We will try not to do that again.” then they’d be better than the Republicans. I’m not holding my breath.
Talking about the strategist who worked to keep rapist Harvey Weinstein clean now working for Biden: