Some are in a state of anxious confusion, they don’t like us, but hate him. So, many confine themselves to contemptuous disdain for the left and relative silence regarding the, ah, “alternative”.
If a coalition of the sane center and the progressive left can well and truly clobber the Forces of Darkness, we can begin to rebuild. First up, cleaning the spattering of excrement that occurred when the trajectory of the shit intersected the locus of the fan.
Those of us who look past optics and personal animus to see actual results consider Biden to be WORSE of the two because his presidency would bring a false sense of “normalcy” to a world situation that is awful and getting worse. Neither Trump nor Biden intend to do a goddamned thing about climate change, they’re both absolute ballsuckers to the oil and gas industries and either one of them insures we do NOTHING about climate change or the environment for four more years–in Biden’s case, everyone goes back to sleep so it’s actually nothing done for MORE than four years. There is no change without discomfort, and Cheeto Jesus certainly brings the discomfort so yes, from an environmentalist point of view especially Trump is preferable.
Now the ACTUAL preference is for neither of these two deranged clowns driving the clown car in favor of an actual competent person but if the American public is too deluded or the DNC/RNC too good at ratfucking the election process then it’s gonna be one or the other and yes, I prefer the one who creates the most outrage because that’s the one more likely to actually get people off their asses and doing something to effect actual change rather than tastefully rearranging the Titanic’s deck chairs.
Once Trump is out of office the floodgates are going to open as to exactly what Trump was up to while he was in there. So we will see:
His taxes, in full.
That “perfect” phone call. The actual recording of it which was stashed away on a super-secret military server will be released to the public.
His conflicts of interest, particularly regarding his businesses.
His ties to Russian money.
Every investigation that was squashed by Barr’s bootlicking DOJ.
And probably much more.
The Republican party is complicit in a lot of this and some of them (Devin Nunes comes to mind) were actively involved in the scandals and the cover-up. When the truth comes out about what the Republicans have been doing alongside Trump, it should destroy that party for a generation at the least. Trump is going to jail. His family is going to jail. His lackeys are going to jail. Anyone who remains is not going to choose the hill of Trumpism to die on.
Hmmm. The choice is between a moronic treasonous racist crook that doesn’t care about anyone but himself, or a decent person that wants to help people.
Looking at Biden’s record, I really don’t see how anyone can come to the conclusion that Biden wants to help anyone who isn’t a multimillionaire.
Personally, I’m terrified that Biden as president will try to find reconciliation with Republicans by supporting some sort of “grand bargain” in the form of more austerity or privatizing parts of social security in the name of “bipartisanship.”
You are assuming the the Dems also win the senate. A pretty large assumption.And also the the dems win the senate with enough votes that a few backsliders wont cross over- a HUGE assumption.
If you assume that the senate will be close to 50/50, Biden can get more done than anyone else. Everyone in the Senate knows him and most own him favors.
What you are proposing is that the Dems and the GOp give up any chance of even compromising, that after those reforms, if the GOP get back in- they do that same and worse. This leads to a bitterly divided nation.
However, this sort of attack on the frontrunner does nothing but help trump win. Is that what you want?
Putin and Tramp want Bernie because he’s an easy target. I wanted Bernie in 2016 but he didn’t get enough votes. I want someone now who can win enough votes.
Do you prefer the current POTUS? Because that’s your alternative. SOS.
As many as the number of people who line up for the “Ass Licking” booth that Trump will set up in front of the White House on January 19th if he isn’t re-elected.
ETA: Of course, Trump will be the first person to lick his own ass with particular enthusiasm.
Either that, or they are thinking if they attack Biden enuf, the DNC (which clearly controls the democratic voters- I guess by telepathic commands or something :rolleyes: ) will decide to crown Bernie instead.
I have seen this idea several times that the DNC is somehow choosing the candidate. :rolleyes:
Anyway here is a article on why Biden will work:
T*he response to Joe Biden’s win the morning after Super Tuesday was tepid. There was some disappointment across the other candidates’ camps that this was not their first choice, but the troll factories and right-wing agitation machines don’t have the time to coordinate on their attack narratives in this scenario. While they are regrouping, we have some time to adjust perspectives as well, so let us give you all some electability rays of sunshine regarding Joe Biden:
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The troll factories are ramping up.
The Bernie Bros are actually threatening to stay home if “The DNC” doesnt pick Sanders.
Honestly, long term I feel just doomed either way.
If Biden wins the White House but doesn’t deliver real benefits for the disaffected working-class. The populist uprisings of 2024 will make the uprisings of today look genteel by comparison.
The politics of the last four years have taught us that tens of millions of Americans feel that their institutions have completely failed them. The legitimacy of the whole system is still hanging by a thread. The core truth of a Biden administration would be bring change or reap the whirlwind.
If Biden does nothing else but put back the same protections that existed under the Obama administration, the environment will already be better off than it is under Trump.
Oh, so you prefer the guy that’s going to drill holes into the lifeboats? You prefer that people who don’t agree with your views deserve to continue to suffer until they see things your way. You prefer to watch the further undermining of democracy, furtherance of corruption, dismantling of human rights and civil society, because you can’t get your way. Smart, Aleq.
Yeah, well to be clear I am also dubious that a Biden presidency would facilitate a Democratic Senate at all. There’s just so much papering over Biden’s vulnerabilities as a candidate now, but I feel like having him at the top of the ticket will induce a not-insignificant amount of young people who would otherwise have voted for Sanders to stay home.
And yes, I am arguing that the Democrats need to be ruthlessly efficient in enacting the kinds of reforms I mentioned in the OP. The bottom line is that not doing those things will, again, cause nothing of consequence to ever actually pass. Consequently, the only thing Democrats will ever do is talk about their wonderful leftwing ideas without ever enacting them, and the party will just forever be annihilated in wave elections by fed up voters.
That is not a sustainable dynamic, and Biden will just perpetuate it.